Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below It seems more and more I'm seeing posts were people are asking for cycle guidance or posting their cycle progress when they really have no business of using them in the first place. Rememeber, steroids are DANGEROUS!! Period!! Don't get me wrong I'm not preaching against the use of them. I just seem to notice a trend of more and more people jumping into them BEFORE they reach their genetic limits. In the end your just cheating yourself. As long as your diet/training/rest is all in check there should be no need for people with stats like 6' 185lbs 13%bf asking about cycles. I won't even front about it. I too ran my first cycle earlier than I should have. I was 22 years old about 200lbs 13%bf. Looking back I wish I had waited a few more years and gained more naturally before jumping in. Just thought I should throw this up there for people thinking about jumping into the darkside prematurely. With a few simple tweaks to your diet and or training you can make amaziong strides NATTY!!
Don't Just Jump Into Roids!!
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Mr.X
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do a search on my posts, I've advocated a specific way of life people should stick to before thinking of using AS. From years in training, to age, to bodyfat.
scout69
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I here you bro a few cycles in now, and alot of research down..but i could have deffinately held off a little bit on that frist one till I learned more..but hey you know how it is we dont want to listen to anyone and we learn from are own mistakes..But as for you stating about asking about cycles i know for myself I know what I'm going to do and I know as is in anything theres always people that may no a little more and no matter what I come here for the advice of you guys..And you've all helped me out alot in my cycles starting from the begining
ceasar989 said:
number one to me would be a chance to make sure diet/training/life was in perfect order so you can reap the benfits of the cycle....mainly diet and training, i was gonna add rest but people know to sleep already....if you do a cycle and train half assed and eat half assed you would be better served sending the money you spent on cycle to me and i will then proceed to kick you in the nuts.....
I disagree that stats should be used when trying to determine ones genetic potential and/or if they are ready for thinking about a cycle. What about this scenario..
1) 6'0 225lbs 13% bf.
2) 6'0 185lbs 13% bf.
Which guy is ready? Well looking on stats one would think option 1, but truth of the matter is what if option #2 progressed much much more than option 1, I guess that doesn't matter much?
Opt. 1 may come in and tell you he's had a good diet, trained hard for some years now bla bla bla. In reality he started out at 205 12% bf, and has only gained 20 pounds, which most beginners can gain in the first six months. He drinks alot of beer and eats only three times a day whatever he gets his hands on. His diet is only about 2700 calories a day, and not very consistent, sometimes clean sometimes tons of McDonalds. His workout regimen consists of what his buddy does, and he has generally good natural mesomorph genetics. Sometimes he forgets to work out for a week, sometimes he doesn't.
Opt. 2 has been training religiously for seven years. He used to be 122 lbs and has put on 63 pounds of LBM. He eats seven meals a day, 4700 calories a day, does not drink and keeps a log of his diet featuring complex carbs, efa's, and quality lean protein. Has tried many different routines, has had personal trainers, and is indepth with nutrition and different types of training but naturally is very ectomorphic and not naturally strong or athletic.
I don't think ones stats tell nearly enough than the progress the individual has made when trying to determine ones genetic potential...
kethnaab
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amen to that one jayhawk!
it's far far too easy to judge based on stats. A buddy of mine who was a frickin' training genius was 6', 180 lbs, very lean. He did not look like anything more than a somewhat skinny athlete, or perhaps a basketball player who kept in shape doing pushups
He was a bony bastage when he started. Dude had fucking ribs showing in both the front and back of his body, his elbows were greater in circumference than his biceps (no shit man), and his thighs were most definitely smaller than my arms. He gained so damn much muscle in the time he worked out, it is nuts. He went from looking like an emaciated nazi-prisoner camp escapee to looking like a lean, solid athlete.
some of us are lucky with genetics, some aren't. Where you are now isn't nearly as important as how far you've come.
That being said, the advice to hold off is solid. People are so damn concerned about whether they should do their tren EOD or ED that they forget that leg extensions, cable laterals and pec dec flyes are not going to get them where they want, no matter how much damn gear they poke, especially when their idea of a good diet is ordering chicken sandwiches instead of a Double whopper w/cheese.
it's far far too easy to judge based on stats. A buddy of mine who was a frickin' training genius was 6', 180 lbs, very lean. He did not look like anything more than a somewhat skinny athlete, or perhaps a basketball player who kept in shape doing pushups
He was a bony bastage when he started. Dude had fucking ribs showing in both the front and back of his body, his elbows were greater in circumference than his biceps (no shit man), and his thighs were most definitely smaller than my arms. He gained so damn much muscle in the time he worked out, it is nuts. He went from looking like an emaciated nazi-prisoner camp escapee to looking like a lean, solid athlete.
some of us are lucky with genetics, some aren't. Where you are now isn't nearly as important as how far you've come.
That being said, the advice to hold off is solid. People are so damn concerned about whether they should do their tren EOD or ED that they forget that leg extensions, cable laterals and pec dec flyes are not going to get them where they want, no matter how much damn gear they poke, especially when their idea of a good diet is ordering chicken sandwiches instead of a Double whopper w/cheese.
Xconcept00
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just wondering how many people have died with a direct link to steroid use?
AristotleBC
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The real danger from AAS use ( really not that great when you consider misuse of tylenol can and does kill) is from not knowing how to use it correctly and throwing off your hormonal balance
Aside from that, years and years of abuse could be harmful, and getting too strong too fast can cause injury.
I agree with the original poster's overall premise but the "ROIDS ARE DANGEROUS" seems to be overblowing things a bit.
Aside from that, years and years of abuse could be harmful, and getting too strong too fast can cause injury.
I agree with the original poster's overall premise but the "ROIDS ARE DANGEROUS" seems to be overblowing things a bit.
MASSIVEMONSTER
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roids are only dangerous if your stupid with them and use silly amounts and necer come off. anyone who has good breaks and does things correctly will be fine i`d guess.
i gained 40lb naturally before i juiced, i have mates who juiced within a month of starting training and have gained like 30lb in two years on gear and now they are stuck at that weight due to no natural foundation.
A natural foundation is a must for all if you wanna grow and get far in terms of size. Hey i am only 215 at 5`8 but i started at 140, so thats 75lb of muscle. without my initial 6 years drug free i`d be around 190-200 now i`d guess.
i gained 40lb naturally before i juiced, i have mates who juiced within a month of starting training and have gained like 30lb in two years on gear and now they are stuck at that weight due to no natural foundation.
A natural foundation is a must for all if you wanna grow and get far in terms of size. Hey i am only 215 at 5`8 but i started at 140, so thats 75lb of muscle. without my initial 6 years drug free i`d be around 190-200 now i`d guess.
ceasar989 said:
I'll flip the question back to you or anybosy else for that matter. What are the reasons(besides PURE LAZINESS) to start using gear before you've done all you can do naturally??
Hawk:You bring up a decent point about stats...but those examples are pretty extreme. I think you get my main point though.
Xconcept:What are you talking about guy??? I don't recall saying anything anywhere about ayone dieing from steroid use. I simple made a blanket statement, which I stand by, about steroids being dangerous. Anyone who is going to say they aren't dangerous is just being naive. Like I said it's a blanket statement. I'm not saying you can't take them responsibly without digging yourself a grave. You have to read it in the context of my original topic. I don't want to come off seeming like I'm anti-steroid guy. I'm VERY VERY far from it. My point wasn't to discuss how bad steroids are for you. Just wanted to reiterate for those who are starting out, IT'S A MARATHON, NOT A SPRINT!!
Vicious cycle
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If it is so bad long term then why are so many tauting HRT? I'd say that is pretty long term.
Big_Joe
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What really bothers me are the youngsters that complain about the pain from a needle prick. I know that if they can't take a needle prick they haven't payed their dues in the gym.
If they can't take the pain of a needle I know they aren't taking the pain from squats.
They are looking for that quick fix without the effort.
If they can't take the pain of a needle I know they aren't taking the pain from squats.
They are looking for that quick fix without the effort.
Xconcept00
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haha yeah i was joking... just throwing in a little sarcasim
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