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Using HCG at 5000ius ALL AT ONCE!? In one shot!?
Does this make ANY sense at all???
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I'm only asking because my EX-trainer ( Needsizes ) current trainer was telling me to use HCG at 5000ius every other week! All in one shot.
DMI said:
Every other week? For how fucking long?
not to say your trainer doesn't know anything but i've never heard of 5000 every other week. during my pct i wait one week from the last shot and then every 5 days it's like this. 5000,5000, 2500,2500,1500 along with clomid 100ed for 2 weeks then down to 50ed for 3 weeks. but my pct is based on 42-44 weeks of cycles.
bigtravis said:
This is NOT for a PCT. Like I said...my EX-Trainer whom I fired as of yesterday...was telling me to use HCG at 5000ius Every other week throughout the whole bulking cycle.
I have tried the frequent 500-1000iu shots for maintaining ball size and I find a bigger shot less often to be more effective. I still probably wouldn't go over 2000-2500iu but then I don't take the doses she's used to seeing either. 5000iu EOW is actually less than 1000iu 3x/weekly. If you're taking an anti-e or anti-a I don't see the problem.
bigtravis said:
I do run for a good while. I never come off! And she was aware of this. She said to use 5000ius. NOT 500....fucking 5000ius EOW!!!!!
02gixxersix2
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Well that would sure as hell shock the boys back into action lol. But from hearing about this lady it seems like she knows her shit so as long as you have some nolva which you'll probably be fine without if you;re not prone to gyno I'd give it a shot.
to tell you the truth. i don't go by a set schedule with stuff like hcg or anti-e during a cycle. i'll use it if i feel that i may start to need it. truth is if you were to use hcg to often it will desensitize the leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone therefore hendering a return to homeostasis. so it would kind of defeat the purpose. confused now.
Retabolil2
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Thats too much bro and actually I dont think its help alot througout the cycle... For medicine use doc would make you take 250-500iu every 3-5days for few monthsCarth said:
no need to take as much as 5kiu at a time, no matter if its PCT or throughout the cycle...
Retabolil2 said:Thats too much bro and actually I dont think its help alot througout the cycle... For medicine use doc would make you take 250-500iu every 3-5days for few months
Well....tell that to Needsizes' trainer. That is what she wanted me to do. Take fucking 5000ius ALL AT ONCE every other week!
slyder190 said:
Slyder...as a businessman for many years. I watch and observe with my eyes and ears. And I make excellent judgement like this. It is what has led to my success in life.
But don't get me wrong...there is way more to it. But I prefer not to say anything OUT LOUD on this board.
BTW...saw you with SwoleCat. Seems like YOU do have somewhat good judgement. Very wise man you are!
alltraps
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Carth said:
bro, she is a PRO, as in PRO bodybuilder! shes not a kid behind a computer keyboard. she knows her shit. she knows more then 99.9% of the people on this forum, and its not from speculation or guessing, its from experience. experience working with other pro bodybuilders, as well as majority of the guys and girls that place on top of every show in canada. so saying she doenst know what shes talking about is ignorent. i really hope u fired her for reasons other then the HCG regiment....
alltraps said:
Let me ask Slyder190 something. And he'll post up agree or disagree. Hold on!
Slyder190
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Okay, I'm gonna give my .02. but I will do so without really trying to pick sides on this situation. I'll tell you straight what I think though. I have never worked under any training or guidance from Laura Binetti, so i can't comment on how well she may or may not be with training or diet advice. Now, as far as Swole Cat is concerned, I never really asked him to many really TECHNICAL questions, instead I asked A LOT of "simpler" ones shall we say. like what about this instead of this, or can I do that instead of this, or what about if...you get the picture. Swole answered every single question I ever had and was happy to do so. I swear the guy LOVES answering his e-mails and the questions that come in them. He's the man in that respect. You can e-mail him like 100x a day and he HAPPILY answers every question, and very quickly. I don't think I ever waited more than hour for a response. I have only takem on his services for a month at a time here and there. His diet plans worked well for me and gave me a basic understanding of how to kind of wing it myself, it got me in the right direction, by using diets that are much like the ones he had for me. I have tweaked things to the current day to work for me, but it was his underlying groundwork and guidance that got me on a better diet track. His training program a few years back was set up by a guy names Silverback I think. he couldn't really answer training questions that well, cuz he just went by what Silverback layed out as a general plan. He answered what he could, but it wasn't his game like diet was, and I couldn't really get in good with Silverback, as he wasn't taking on clients. The program he set up for SC's clients sucked to be honest with you. Never got any stronger or bigger using that routine, even while bulking according to SC's plan. And the diet was fine, it was the program, even when upping calories, it never did jack shit for me. And SilverBack claimed that if you weren't growing, training, rest or diet were not in place, and beleive me, mine was. So the training program part was useless IMO. So that's the scoop.
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TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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and SwoleCat's addy is..???
wellbilt
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i always wondered about the dosage of hcg
it comes in 5000iu and up doses do doctors really dilute it to use it a lower dosage or is it meant to be injected all at once
it makes u wonder
personally i use 250mg 2 times per week during long runs to keep the boys happy and it seems to work ok
it comes in 5000iu and up doses do doctors really dilute it to use it a lower dosage or is it meant to be injected all at once
it makes u wonder
personally i use 250mg 2 times per week during long runs to keep the boys happy and it seems to work ok
slyder190 said:
But Slyder, that is what i mean. You made good judgement. Good judgement like that is what has led to my success in life. You know how i live! Come on! You have seen it! You don't get to have my life believing and trusting everything that everybody tells you. If you do...you're a fool!
Business is business. She is a business woman. SC on the other hand is a business man. But also cares. And answers all your questions. See this Laura woman either didn't answer my questions. Or just couldn't answer them to the fullest.
And she even admitted to me that she only knows what she has been taught by past trainers. She has no logic as to why things work. She just does them....period.
She was not aware of Decas sides like progesterone and prolactin. And the same for Tren. She was not aware of how GH causes high prolactin. When in fact it does. She was not aware of Galactorhea from GH. She was not aware of Dostinex. She was not aware of how Nolvadex and Adex lower IGF-1 substantially. Even after I told her that I have bloodwork proving that it does. Shit! She called me a BSer! She thought I was lying. She thought the bloodwork were lies! Crazy bitch! Herman Munster voice having freak! LOL
So every question I had...it was either a "I don't know" or " just ignored my question". That says a lot! IFBB Pro or not. I don't give a flying fuck!
Look at this woman and her team... www.yaxeni.com
Every question I got...BOOM! ANSWERED! And with FULL explanation as to why. In other words....I learn as I go along with her. I don't just do as they tell me to do. Fuck that! If I'm going to pay, I might as well learn.
Like the old saying goes..
GIVE A MAN A FISH AND FEED HIM FOR A DAY...TEACH HIM HOW TO FISH AND FEED HIM FOR A LIFE TIME!
Slyder...I know SC. I know him well. I have spoken to him many times in the past. The guy knows his shit well. And has full explanations as to why he tells you to do things. He teaches you as you go along with him. Thats a true trainer! Not a fucking THIEF businessman!
Yeah yeah yeah. He's not a huge monster. Thats becasue he doesn't want to look like a fucking Vanilla Gorilla. Look at Charles Glass, trainer to great IFBB pros. Is he huge? NO! But he knows his shit!
Like my new trainers said to me. WORK SMARTER....NOT HARDER!!!
I tend to follow this new path and learn from them. It is the quicker and easier path. Plain and simple. And I learn as I go!
I have other reasons as to why she is out. But its fucking 7:30am right now and I can't think. I just finished training aabout an hour ago. I'm going to nap for a while. I'll check back on this post. This should be interesting. HATERS!
And another reason as to why she is gone. Is because her training sucks ass! I was doing it for 2 weeks. Did the gay sissy part first. Totally fucking GAY! Then I did the o-called STRUCTURAL program. What a bunch of shit this was! LOL
No sweating, no struggling, no fucking soreness at all! Just too time consuming and all for nothing. The most weakest fucking workouts I have ever had in my life! She is done, She is out. I am not stupid! I don't fall for shit like that. I don't have a weak mind and get placebo affects like OTHERS!
No sweating, no struggling, no fucking soreness at all! Just too time consuming and all for nothing. The most weakest fucking workouts I have ever had in my life! She is done, She is out. I am not stupid! I don't fall for shit like that. I don't have a weak mind and get placebo affects like OTHERS!
heavy_duty
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Carth, were you asking her questions or giving her a biology test?
heavy_duty said:
Simple fucking questions. And she couldn't answer them. She had no knowledge for her answers. No explanation as to why.
Let me give you an example. Laura would say...DO THIS AND THAT. And I would say why? What is this for? What is the reason for it? Shit like that. Simple questions. And of course she ( with her Herman Munster voice ) would say...I DON'T KNOW WHY, JUST DO IT. That is the way I have been taught to do it. I have no explanation as to why.
While SwoleCat is different. He answers your questions with joy. And has FULL EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY THINGS ARE LIKE THAT!
Motherfucker how many fucking times do I have to say this shit!
YOU LEARN AS YOU GO ALONG WITH SWOLECAT! YOU DON'T LEARN JACK SHIT FROM LAURA.....PERIOD!!!!!!!!
heavy_duty
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Well I don't know who SwoleCat is but any professional trainer should be able to answer all your questions. Your doctor answers your questions so does your dentist your mechanic and your lawyer. Hell even the guy at Home Depot has logical answers.
heavy_duty said:
EXACTLY MY POINT!
alltraps
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well i didnt have to ask her questions as to why, i just followed the program and made changes in my body in a year that i was trying to do for the past 4 years. per programs are far from pussy, if you did them as they are intended to do, you would be more then sore. sorry it didnt work out for you.
JuicedAthletics
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I have been working with Chris, SwoleCat for over 4 years now. I have been with his training and nutrition since he started up.. He is a nutritional gyru. The guy is amazing with his knowledge as well as patience with his teachings. He tore both of his knees two years ago and didnt miss a beat with his clients.. His programs work and he has a huge line of followers. He is a true consultant. I reccommend his services to anyone looking to take the guess work out of diet and training. Even if you just use his info as a base, you will not go wrong. Currently I have all three of his programs... Solid guy. Big bump for SwoleCat. By the way, he looks pretty damn good as well...
slyder190 said:
I know! BWAHAHAHAHA
Luckily for me, I know where she trains down here in South Beach. So I just walked up to her and asked her for training. She agreed. But it wasn't easy.
She called her husband and her brother and told me to wait about 10 minutes. They arrived and they all brought me to her office. Then they told me to get down to my undies. They looked at me up and down. Then looked at each other, and in spanish said..." he has a good build ". And they all said at the same time...yes. We will train you.
Slyder190
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Carth said:I know! BWAHAHAHAHA
Luckily for me, I know where she trains down here in South Beach. So I just walked up to her and asked her for training. She agreed. But it wasn't easy.
She called her husband and her brother and told me to wait about 10 minutes. They arrived and they all brought me to her office. Then they told me to get down to my undies. They looked at me up and down. Then looked at each other, and in spanish said..." he has a good build ". And they all said at the same time...yes. We will train you.
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
slyder190 said:
Why do you say that?
Outtlaw
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Lol. So another words, they're very selective about who they will train. The one time I've spoken with her, she seemed to be quite willing to answer most of my questions. Id be interested to find out how the training goes with these guys.Carth said:I know! BWAHAHAHAHA
Luckily for me, I know where she trains down here in South Beach. So I just walked up to her and asked her for training. She agreed. But it wasn't easy.
She called her husband and her brother and told me to wait about 10 minutes. They arrived and they all brought me to her office. Then they told me to get down to my undies. They looked at me up and down. Then looked at each other, and in spanish said..." he has a good build ". And they all said at the same time...yes. We will train you.
As far as your ex-trainer goes. I cant speak for Beniti's knowledge about training phylosophies, but this is why I always say that being big doesnt automatically qualify someone to give out training advice. There are so many big guys out there that have no idea how they got to where they are today, and that I would never take advice from. Many people only follow what their guru tells them to do, and have no reasoning or understanding as to WHY they do the things they do. If you felt this was the case with Beniti then you were right to change trainers.
carth, honestly I am glad you have found someone else as the constant whining was driving me up the wall too, I cant imagine how she felt about it
You are welcome to your own feelings, but you honestly never gave her stuff an honest try, you outlined what you did yesterday in your other thread, and if you can find one person who agree that you can judge an entire training system on a few workouts(and you admit you just started the structural training), then I will show you a moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding or training! So you havent earned the right to continually bash someone whose stuff you never gave an honest try.
She trains champions, every top guy at all the contests I've been to within driving distance are almost always hers. She brings guys in as shredded and full as possible, and works wonders in the offseason(of which I have given examples and even posted pics of guys she turned into monsters in juts over a year). Some of the stuff you say she knows nothing about, I dont know squat about either, do you want to tell me I dont know shit??? Fuck, she is even trusted by other IFBB pros to train them as well....
There was a time, not very long ago, where you were sending me way more than 50 pms a week, asking tons of questions, basically eating up all the time I had to surf the boards. I took the time to answer everything you asked, and in return you argued with stuff I said, personal stuff too, like telling me I was lying to you about actually having a sex drive. So after god knows how many pms like that, I didnt want to actually take the time to answer anything anymore, it could be she feels the same way.
Either way, I hope you are done with this whine fest, I am sure sick of seeing you complain about something you dont know enough about. I trust this trainer 100%, and do everything she says, even stuff I dont want to, without bitching, sorry you cant do the same. Christ, even guys way bigger and more advanced that you, or I, will ever be trust her, because she ALWAYS gets the results needed.
And for the friggin time, I have only been with her 10 weeks(although I have watched her blow up everyone around me for years), so of course she hasnt made massive changes in my phsyique, you cant on a contest diet, in 10 weeks. but I have lost 50lbs, and have gone from way behind, to ahead of schedule, so I am more than happy with that. When I get to the offseason, I will be happy to put my body up against yours, to see whose trainer can make the most improvements, and considering the size difference between you and me, I have the much harder road
You are welcome to your own feelings, but you honestly never gave her stuff an honest try, you outlined what you did yesterday in your other thread, and if you can find one person who agree that you can judge an entire training system on a few workouts(and you admit you just started the structural training), then I will show you a moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding or training! So you havent earned the right to continually bash someone whose stuff you never gave an honest try.
She trains champions, every top guy at all the contests I've been to within driving distance are almost always hers. She brings guys in as shredded and full as possible, and works wonders in the offseason(of which I have given examples and even posted pics of guys she turned into monsters in juts over a year). Some of the stuff you say she knows nothing about, I dont know squat about either, do you want to tell me I dont know shit??? Fuck, she is even trusted by other IFBB pros to train them as well....
There was a time, not very long ago, where you were sending me way more than 50 pms a week, asking tons of questions, basically eating up all the time I had to surf the boards. I took the time to answer everything you asked, and in return you argued with stuff I said, personal stuff too, like telling me I was lying to you about actually having a sex drive. So after god knows how many pms like that, I didnt want to actually take the time to answer anything anymore, it could be she feels the same way.
Either way, I hope you are done with this whine fest, I am sure sick of seeing you complain about something you dont know enough about. I trust this trainer 100%, and do everything she says, even stuff I dont want to, without bitching, sorry you cant do the same. Christ, even guys way bigger and more advanced that you, or I, will ever be trust her, because she ALWAYS gets the results needed.
And for the friggin time, I have only been with her 10 weeks(although I have watched her blow up everyone around me for years), so of course she hasnt made massive changes in my phsyique, you cant on a contest diet, in 10 weeks. but I have lost 50lbs, and have gone from way behind, to ahead of schedule, so I am more than happy with that. When I get to the offseason, I will be happy to put my body up against yours, to see whose trainer can make the most improvements, and considering the size difference between you and me, I have the much harder road
and for anyone who missed in my my "trainer" post, here is an example of what she has done. The dude on the right is a buddy of mine, she starts working with him, hes 240lbs(already pretty damn big), after less than a year and a half, he's walking around at 288lbs with abs. Then she put him on stage at almost 240lbs for his first show.
Can I expect you to look like this carth after 1.5 years with your new trainer?
Can I expect you to look like this carth after 1.5 years with your new trainer?
heavy_duty
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Damn man 50 pm's a week to you plus lord knows how many to SwoleCat I hope the bro got his answers. With such a thirst for knowledge (bleeding bro's for info) why not go back to University.
Outtlaw said:
I know I was right.
needsize said:and for anyone who missed in my my "trainer" post, here is an example of what she has done. The dude on the right is a buddy of mine, she starts working with him, hes 240lbs(already pretty damn big), after less than a year and a half, he's walking around at 288lbs with abs. Then she put him on stage at almost 240lbs for his first show.
Can I expect you to look like this carth after 1.5 years with your new trainer?
Yawn! I'm NOT impressed. I'm more impressed with your physique. But certainly not the guy in the picture. So! Fuck it!
I have used 5000 IU in one injection at the end of the cycle to prepare for pct. I never had any problems with this. The only thing I do not understand is why she would reccomend doing the injection once every other week. Serum test levels begin to drop rapidly 5 days after an injection, so that your endongenous test production would be going on a rollar coaster. I looked the matter up in an old physiology text book from college and it even has a graph that shows how blood serum test levels follow a biphasic course and then drop rapidly after 5 days. Anything longer than once every 5 days does not make any sense to me.
maldorf said:
So then what do you recommend for somebody like me that is always on Test HRT?
heavy_duty
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Carth
just wondering (on the real) how many times did you PM swole & NS?
just wondering (on the real) how many times did you PM swole & NS?
needsize said:
I keep forgetting that there is a law in Canada that states that all PMs must be answered or else the Prime Minister will get very angry and hit the person with a hockey stick.
Carth said:
I keep forgetting that there is a law in Canada that states that all PMs must be answered or else the Prime Minister will get very angry and hit the person with a hockey stick.
are you really that big of a tool?
If I didnt answer your pm, you would pm me back within an hour or two, asking if I got the last one, then asking the question again. If you sent me a pm with 6 questions, and I only answered 4, you would immediately pm me back and ask the two I missed again. I never clean out my pms, so I still have all of them
I had no problem helping as much as I could, but in several you came out and told me you thought I was lying about some things, then all this trash talking about a trainer who I hugely respect, with no basis, well it leaves it very tough to have any respect left for you at all....not that I think you really care
needsize said:
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken!
And sending me that......whatever the fuck it was. That silly scan you sent me. I really don't know WTF that was all about. Never asked you that. So I don't know what you even sent it to me.
Just like in the Linken Park song goes " In the End " ....it goes...
BECAUSE IN THE END...IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER!!!
So what was the point of that silly paper??????????
Just like in the Linken Park song goes " In the End " ....it goes...
BECAUSE IN THE END...IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER!!!
So what was the point of that silly paper??????????
Let it go Need...you are turning this into a fucking brawl here. Your just acting a fool because I'm talking about your Trainer?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!! Get mad if I talk about you or your mother or your wife. But your FUCKING TRAINER???? Bro! Come on!
slyder190 said:
the scan I sent was because you thought you were too smart, and doubted my education and the success I had there, like I would feel the need to lie to someone on the internet about that of all things
You are wondering why this has me so irritated, just because its my trainer, I thought with you being as smart as you claim to be, that you would have gotten the fact that I'm pissed about all the time I took over the last year or so, answering endless pms, many times the same questions over and over again, to have you disrespect me in the way that you have in the last little while.
I havent turned this into a brawl, but will if you want to persist, you have acted like a jackass since this started(and the massive amount of karma I've gotten shows I'm not the only one that thinks so). You dont want a brawl, then stop talking shit about things you know nothing about, and I'll happily drop it
You are wondering why this has me so irritated, just because its my trainer, I thought with you being as smart as you claim to be, that you would have gotten the fact that I'm pissed about all the time I took over the last year or so, answering endless pms, many times the same questions over and over again, to have you disrespect me in the way that you have in the last little while.
I havent turned this into a brawl, but will if you want to persist, you have acted like a jackass since this started(and the massive amount of karma I've gotten shows I'm not the only one that thinks so). You dont want a brawl, then stop talking shit about things you know nothing about, and I'll happily drop it
needsize said:
I haven't said jack shit bro. Start over again from the beginning of this thread. I never started ANY beef with anybody. Not even you. I just had my opinions about Laura and then you came in with extreme anger. That is all that happened. Go ahead everybody ( including you Need ). Lets go back to page 1 of this thread and read each post. Where did I start any beef? Not once. I just gave my opinion on Laura. That is all.
are you going to drop this bullshit or not?
You know pretty much nothing about laura, her training, or anything else to dow with her, unless following a couple workouts makes you an expert.
I have a huge amount of respect for her, as I have seen what she can do, time and time again, so having you trash someone I feel that way about, where you have no basis in which to do so, is going to cause me to react with anger. And a lot of the disrespect i am referring to is stuff in emails and pms to me, telling me I am lying about things, that kind of stuff, hell of a way to show you appreciate all the time someone took to answer all your questions to the best of his ability
You know pretty much nothing about laura, her training, or anything else to dow with her, unless following a couple workouts makes you an expert.
I have a huge amount of respect for her, as I have seen what she can do, time and time again, so having you trash someone I feel that way about, where you have no basis in which to do so, is going to cause me to react with anger. And a lot of the disrespect i am referring to is stuff in emails and pms to me, telling me I am lying about things, that kind of stuff, hell of a way to show you appreciate all the time someone took to answer all your questions to the best of his ability
needsize said:
Ummm. I did tell you to drop it Need. I only said it a few posts back. Damn! Drop it!
which Dbol is better?! ROFLMAO!!!
Themachine01
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Carth said:
I love this, you wont take the advice of a well respected trainer, but your going to ask the advice of some bro named waldorf on a message board, lol. NS has been in this game for a long time now and has pretty much taught himself everything he knows and got to where he is today on his own. I have heard him say nothing but good things about Laura's training and dieting which was enough to make me consider paying for Laura's services. NS wants to get ready for his comp and knows that listening to her, whether she has scientific evidence to back up everything or not, she will get him to in the condition that he wants to be in, better than he has ever looked. You know why he trusts her bro, because of the results that her techniques have given to other top level competitors that trust her as well, not because she has scientific data to back everything up.
If you want to be a trainer bro, than go to school for it, dont try and take classes from another trainer. You are paying a trainer to train you and give you her advice, shes not there to teach you the ins and outs of how everything scientifically works, thats what school is for bro, go take a fucking personal training course. If you want to put size on or get prepared for a show, than you hire a trainer and you listen to their advice without questioning it, if it works it works.
I understand Needsize's frustration with this whole thing, whether your talking about just his trainer or not, it is someone that he has gained a lot of respect for, therefore he is going to stick up for her.
If you want science than take a fucking science class, if you want to put muscle on and make changes to your physique than hire a trainer and listen to them. By you following their advice you are learning, so I dont want to hear that fucking "teach a man to fish" bullshit, if you try something new that she tells you to do, and it works, then you have learned something, whether or not you know the science behind it or not, you know that it works.
Themachine01 said:
Thank you!
Themachine01
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Carth said:
No, thank you. Its amazing how speechless someone can get when the truth is layed out in front of them.
Outtlaw
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Im not taking any sides in this discussion. But this kinda goes back to an old thread on another forum. If you hire a trainer, and do EVERYTHING they tell you to do, and dont get the results you're looking for or should've gotten.... then that's the trainers fault and you have the right to voice your displeasure with their methods. However, if you hire a trainer and DONT do exactly everything they tell you to do, or half of what they say, etc. Then that's your fault, and you cant blame the trainer because you didnt follow the program correctly.
Slyder190....how does it go again?
HATERS BREED SUCCESS
SUCCESS BREEDS HATERS
HATERS BREED SUCCESS
SUCCESS BREEDS HATERS
Themachine01
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Carth said:
Than keep on hatin brotha, your a just child in a mans game, and I will leave it at that.
alltraps
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carth, i dont usualy advocate the use of drugs, but you should seriously consider taking valume from time to time.
every one of your posts is typed in caps and with a million exclamation and questions marks!!!!?????? re fucking lax.
you always seem to talk about people actiing like kids on here and you are a mature 30 year old, then why do you continue to act like a child? settle down and relax, you'll live longer.
every one of your posts is typed in caps and with a million exclamation and questions marks!!!!?????? re fucking lax.
you always seem to talk about people actiing like kids on here and you are a mature 30 year old, then why do you continue to act like a child? settle down and relax, you'll live longer.
Its all good my man.
growthspurt
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Hold up Carth!
It's OK to voice your opinions about shit. But being this is a forum, you gotta be able to handle how other people feel about the subject. You seem really quick to lose your cool whenever somebody goes a little against the grain of your opinions.
You say that this trainer basically sucks and doesn't have the knowledge you're seeking? Whether or not this is true, N.S. has every right to chime in disagree with your assesment of her. He obviously knows her well enough to offer his opinion on what your saying. It's no reason to get all defensive and carry on like a man child. I mean, look how you responded when he posted pictures of his buddy to show you she does know a thing or two, pretty childish!
Now, before you fly off the handle on me, let me just say that I have no beef with you or anyone else. I'm just giving you my opinion. That's what these boards are all about! If you don't like it, start up a daily Blogger site where you can say whatever's making your ass ache and nobody can argue back to you.
It's OK to voice your opinions about shit. But being this is a forum, you gotta be able to handle how other people feel about the subject. You seem really quick to lose your cool whenever somebody goes a little against the grain of your opinions.
You say that this trainer basically sucks and doesn't have the knowledge you're seeking? Whether or not this is true, N.S. has every right to chime in disagree with your assesment of her. He obviously knows her well enough to offer his opinion on what your saying. It's no reason to get all defensive and carry on like a man child. I mean, look how you responded when he posted pictures of his buddy to show you she does know a thing or two, pretty childish!
Now, before you fly off the handle on me, let me just say that I have no beef with you or anyone else. I'm just giving you my opinion. That's what these boards are all about! If you don't like it, start up a daily Blogger site where you can say whatever's making your ass ache and nobody can argue back to you.
Slyder190
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And I'm not tryin to get in the middle of this, but Carth, Needsize is one of the best bros 'round these parts. He's forever helpin people, myself included. Disagree your point if you wish, but try and keep the right amount of respect goin, especially for a guy like Needsize.
Themachine01
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slyder190 said:
I didnt think those were your words
slyder190 said:
This is what Swole Cat says. Oh you didn't know? Your ass better call somebody!
growthspurt said:
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!! That is the last fucking thing on my mind. To disrespect NS? NEVER!!! Where did I ever disprespect this man? I would never do that! You guys are reading everythign way to fucking fast or are just incapable of reading? Where do you see me disrespecting NS????
I have nothing but mad love for this guy! Get the fuck out of here with that shit!
Carth said:
Whoa, some dude named Waldorf, lol! Carth is just a person that wants to know the reasons why he is being asked to do something, because he has trouble following someone blindly into doing something. I can see why he might ask opinions on this board about his question, because he is trying to gather ever bit of information/opinion he can about the matter and then make his decision off of that. To me that is just science in action, and makes for a wiser decision. I myself would have trouble doing things differently if the trainer did not know the reasons behind doing them.
Now there seems to be undeniable evidence, as seen in her clients, that she produces results. I think you would have to throw science aside and give her methods a fair shot before discrediting her. To me this is kind of like having faith in God, there is not any physical evidence but you just have to believe. I think it is unfair to undercut this trainer in this fashion.
maldorf said:
I do not believe in God. I have faith in no God. I have faith only in me. I am atheist.
Themachine01
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maldorf said:
This is exactly my point. You hire a trainer to train you, you do as they tell you and trust them, thats the whole point. You dont question their knowledge, they made a name for themselves through results and previous clients. When choosing a trainer you look at their background and the results that they have produced through their other clients, maybe even talk with their other clients and past clients. Once you have done this and you decide to hire them then you listen to their advice, do what they tell you, and dont try to prove them wrong, if you think that you know more then train your fucking self. You are not hiring a trainer to sit you down and teach you the science of how carbohydrates work, you take their advice and then if your curious either look the shit up on the internet and maybe even ask them, if the trainer decides to tell you then so be it. I started doing diet consulatations a little over a year ago now and have several clients that have seen amazing results. My clients hired me because they seen the results that I have produced with my other clients. Dieting can be very complicated when broken down scientifically and I really just dont have the time or energy to break down everything for every client that explains why I have them eating this or that, they just follow my advice because they know that they will see results if they do.
All I can say about this whole thing is that Carth simply wasted his money, maybe before he spent his money and purchased her programs he should have asked her if she would be able to explain everything in scientific detail, because if not then he wouldnt listen to her, and she would most likely be wrong in what she was saying. You wasted your money bro and its no ones fault but your own, dont know if I would consider that being a good business man, next time do a little bit more research before blowing your money. If you maybe had just taken her advice and listened to her you most likely would have seen good results and not wasted your money.
Oh, and my bad maldorf
Carth said:
Really?? Wow ...
brahma_bull
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Carth said:
as mentioned before, take some valium and lay off the blow
growthspurt
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Carth said:
I think you are the one who can't read. Read my post again and tell me where I said anything about you being disrespectful??? But, this is my point Carth, look how you jump peoples shit for disagreeing with you. Give it a rest already Bro!
I think this thread has gotten way off topic........Mods, move this to Dr. Phils' web site!
brahma_bull
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Themachine01 said:Dieting can be very complicated when broken down scientifically and I really just dont have the time or energy to break down everything for every client that explains why I have them eating this or that, they just follow my advice because they know that they will see results if they do.
Oh, and my bad maldorf
Bingo! Laura was probably sick and tired of trying to answer a million of carth's questions, and who wouldn't be. You hired her to train you, not teach you the in's and outs of exercise physiology and nutrition. Don't like it, totally your perogative to fire her, but you made a "point" of letting everyone know that you were displeased and fired her, save the drama for your mama.
Themachine01 said:This is exactly my point. You hire a trainer to train you, you do as they tell you and trust them, thats the whole point. You dont question their knowledge, they made a name for themselves through results and previous clients. When choosing a trainer you look at their background and the results that they have produced through their other clients, maybe even talk with their other clients and past clients. Once you have done this and you decide to hire them then you listen to their advice, do what they tell you, and dont try to prove them wrong, if you think that you know more then train your fucking self. You are not hiring a trainer to sit you down and teach you the science of how carbohydrates work, you take their advice and then if your curious either look the shit up on the internet and maybe even ask them, if the trainer decides to tell you then so be it. I started doing diet consulatations a little over a year ago now and have several clients that have seen amazing results. My clients hired me because they seen the results that I have produced with my other clients. Dieting can be very complicated when broken down scientifically and I really just dont have the time or energy to break down everything for every client that explains why I have them eating this or that, they just follow my advice because they know that they will see results if they do.
All I can say about this whole thing is that Carth simply wasted his money, maybe before he spent his money and purchased her programs he should have asked her if she would be able to explain everything in scientific detail, because if not then he wouldnt listen to her, and she would most likely be wrong in what she was saying. You wasted your money bro and its no ones fault but your own, dont know if I would consider that being a good business man, next time do a little bit more research before blowing your money. If you maybe had just taken her advice and listened to her you most likely would have seen good results and not wasted your money.
Oh, and my bad maldorf
Money? What money? I didn't waste any money.
Carth said:Money? What money? I didn't waste any money.
depends on how you look at it, you entered into a contract, sent half the money, she sent you the stuff, now you fire her before paying the rest of what you agreed to pay, I guess you didnt waste any money then
Themachine01
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Carth said:Money? What money? I didn't waste any money.
Like NS said, you did pay her something. Whether it was $50 or $300, if you didnt get anything out of it because of your own ignorance then you wasted money.
Good business men dont waste money in my book.
I like how you started this thread popping your mouth off and then once you have no one in agreement with you you aint got shit to say anymore. I normally dont get involved in shit like this but I lost all respect for you bro on this one.
ROFLMAO!!! Look bros. I don't even know WTF is going on anymore on this thread. Can we please squash this shit? Really, its stupid. I really don't know what is going on anymore. Need...can we let this go please?
needsize said:
What? Contract? Money? What?! Sent me stuff? What are you talking about? I have no idea what you are talking about.
Slyder190
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Carth said:
It's funny. I don't exactly agree with the way Carth goes about some things or some of the things he says, but along the way in this thread I kind of laughed, because in some ways, Carth really reminds me of myself. And with the comment quoted, now he really reminds me of myself.
Maybe he's just misunderstood.
slyder190 said:It's funny. I don't exactly agree with the way Carth goes about some things or some of the things he says, but along the way in this thread I kind of laughed, because in some ways, Carth really reminds me of myself. And with the comment quoted, now he really reminds me of myself.
Maybe he's just misunderstood.
Zodiac sign....CANCER. We are ALWAYS misunderstood. In fact I spent my Vegas vacation about 3 weeks ago with LVTITAN. And I met up with a few people at clubs over there. Since I get into VIP, I had to buy around $600 worth of drinks. I had so much left over.
I didn't know what to do with all those drinks. Me and the people I was hanging out with couldn't finish all those drinks. So I saw a group of people lounging in the other VIP lounge. And so I walked up to them to offer them my drinks since me and my people couldn't finish them.
I sware....at the same time I was going over there to offer them my drinks. They too were coming up to me. What for? To do the same thing. They then noticed the CANCER sign on my forearm. They began to laugh. I asked them as to why they laughed. They said because they too were Cancers. And Cancers are known for being generous. But also HIGHLY misunderstood.
WTF does this have to do with EF? Nothing. Just thought I say this for the fuck of it.
Carth said:
did you not agree to pay $600 for a 3 month structural program, training, diet, and cycle advice included. You sent her half the cash, she sent you the structural routine, plus the diet, plus you guys dicussed the cycle to death as you objected to just about everything, and I believe you didnt want to start the cycle right away, so she sent you another routine to do till then, but to date you have only payed half the actual amount agreed upon...
did I miss anything?
BTW, if you have fired her, shouldnt you at least tell her that much, I trained with her thurs, and she had no idea that you had fired her
needsize said:
Bro..I don't know what you are talking about. I really don't. Sorry.
Carth said:
so laura is now a liar as well as a bad trainer huh?
You have already mentioned in more than one thread about how bad her routines suck, so obviously she sent you those, and I know she sent you the diet, as you questioned a lot of that as well
Its bad enough that you went the route you did trashing her when you dont know enough about it all either way, but now you are being dishonest too?
needsize said:
I'm baffled here. I have no idea what you are talking about. Once again....sorry.
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