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Does the US get free oil from Irag or a discounted price?
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Mavafanculo
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oolloollooo good one
mountain muscle
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We should finance the whole war with their oil and give the whining, liberal idiots something else to bitch about.
Their oil infrastructure needs some serious work though.
Also $3/gal gasoline has nothing to do with Iraq. Even though I paid 2.64/gal yesterday. Wait until the number of vehicles in china surpasses the U.S.A. then who are you going to blame for gas prices?
Their oil infrastructure needs some serious work though.
Also $3/gal gasoline has nothing to do with Iraq. Even though I paid 2.64/gal yesterday. Wait until the number of vehicles in china surpasses the U.S.A. then who are you going to blame for gas prices?
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thank youmountain muscle said:
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no it ain`tbw1 said:
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fyi I get the majority of my news from the wsj and the economist
the wsj is obviously conservative
but the UK based economist is regarded as moderately liberal slanted
so I get some balance in my info
don`t cut and paste me
the wsj is obviously conservative
but the UK based economist is regarded as moderately liberal slanted
so I get some balance in my info
don`t cut and paste me
Thats exactly right.. Mobil oil claims it has spent some 3 billion dollars on alternative energy however nothing has ever come to light.. The simple fact is that the oil companies own the congressmen... The largest contributors to the presidential campaign were oil companies.. Lets face it , Exxon made a gross profit in 2006 of 35 billion dollars.. Money talks bs walks.. they will never find an alternative when the profit margin is this high...nab12 said:
mountain muscle
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Arabian said:
That is exactly wrong. I suppose the fact that a new refinery hasn't been built in the USA since 1979 is the oil company's fault as well?
Alternative energy? The oil company's aren't the ones vehemently opposing nuclear power. It would actually benefit them and make more efficient refineries.
The environmentalists have a large responsibility for the current energy crisis.
You can't cut off someone's arms then blaim them for not being able to lift you up.
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I like my horsepowernab12 said:
when I'm about 60 I'll get a hybrid
maybe
army_stud
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nab12 said:
Is that why Bush signed a bill to help ethanol companies build research facilities? Made my Pacific Ethanol stock shoot up!
A typical quote by another liberal moron...
"Oil companies run washington"
"We went to war for oil"
"Cheney and halliburton"
"Bush stole the elections"
"Right Wing conspiracies"
"Bin Laden is the real threat"
Anyone else want to throw some in? Spartacus? Mountain Muscle? bwl?
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redsamurai
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dude, stop with the liberal shit ok..........the moral of the story is that these things should have been done DECADES ago because the people you call "eliteists" and "liberal whiners", aka the smart people, have been saying for decades that we need to be funding research for alternative energy because oil in not infinite. Now as for the politicians, democrat or conservative they all sucked off the balls of big oil. Big oil isn't stupid..........they didn't put all their eggs in one basket, they funded campaigns from both parties. So Bush finally signing some bill after the free market here realizes that it's about to get left behind by the rest of the world............does not impress me. Big oil conned the U.S into building it's infrastructure around a resource that was promised to be limitless. Any society that does this and subsequently collapses because someone in some god forsaken shithole turns off the spigot..............well........it's a well deserved collapse. Maybe that's what we need for a "true" free market to emerge instead of the corporate hegemony that exists today where government harrasses and overregulates competitors to whomevers giving them the most money..............that's not capitalism and don't nobody argue with me on that point.
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when the time comes "big oil" will have the other energy sources for us
we aren't getting "left behind" etc.
we aren't getting "left behind" etc.
redsamurai
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Spartacus said:
doesn't it grate on your nerves that had the energy solution been "truly" left to the free market we might have been able to abdicate ourselves from the middle east maybe 10-20 years ago?? Big oil threw it's money around washington to make sure new technologies emerging that could have "possibly" brought us a new energy solution were properly regulated to death by Uncle Sam. All the big 3 automakers had engines sitting on shelves that had they been able to fully test in the market..........might have led to diverse energy sources. Wonder why they did that? hmmmmmmmm................detroit and big oil seem to be quite comfortable with each other. You can directly thank the japanese for finally giving detroit the impetus to put their foot down and develop higher gas mileage vehicles, otherwise there would be no american automaker today. And there still might not be in 10-15 years.
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perhaps,redsamurai said:
but also too changing the habits and expectations of the american public is likely more problematic
hence, the tonque in cheek comment I made above
what makes more sense and likely will be what happens is a gradual switch to alternative fuels and the introduction of the vehicles that can use them
toyota isn't big oil or even an american company and they sure are taking their casual time bringing the hybrids to market
not to mention they're priced at such a premium that any fuel cost savings are "lost"
so wag your finger at toyota,nissan and honda et.al.
and has been mentioned we could have a much greater nuclear powered infrastructure at this time but for...
redsamurai
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toyota taking it's sweet time with hybrids?? They're coming out left and right with em, now in SUV's too. You have to understand the japanese engineering process...........they come up with innovation, or copy someone else............than they methodically go to work improving it every year, however imperceptible that improvement may be. What I'm waiting for is the turbine electrics!! Turbines are awesome at efficiently generating power.........they're almost 90% on the carnot efficiency scale if I remember correctly. So couple that with electric motors and you might have something. Trains nowadays are all diesel electrics...........so it's nothing earth shatteringly new.
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toyota is expecting to pass the 10million vehicles sold/year mark in 2008redsamurai said:
what percentage are hybrids?
I'll look it up in a moment but I bet it's less than half of 1%
hybrids aren't profitable enough
otherwise toyota would have been all over it sooner
people like and want their horsepower and the bigger vehicles
especially those of us in western industrialized economies
I've also read about some battery technology that's superior
I made a thread about it a while back
redsamurai
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didn't say the rest of the world was any different. OPEC is like a union though.......at one point threre was merit for it's existence, but now it's swung in the opposite direction. But free market forces "do" still act on OPEC...........however, Iran and Venezuela getting chummy is a problem. Which is why we need an alternative energy plan "NOW". Otherwise we can be strongarmed.........kind of like what China is doing with us now.
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it's precisely because it will take years to switch our dependence that we went into Iraqredsamurai said:
to keep the mid-east stable and threaten Iran to keep little hitler in line
not to mention the rest of the world (i.e. India and China)
can't have a world wide depression because the sand apes are causing a ruckus
I was 11 when the first arab oil embargo took place
I remember the panic and the gas lines
redsamurai
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do we not have to take some sort of blame for getting ourselves into that situation in the first place? I mean.......it's not like this situation was unforseeable. It's not like the muslims were ever benevolent to the west.............so isn't it kind of a given that eventually they were going to figure out they had leverage on us? It was greed bro...........utter greed!!
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