does smoking do this??

[SonnyBlack]

i sometimes smoke cigarretes( i know its a disgusting habit but i dont drink or do anything else so cut me some slack) and i find that throughout the day I feel very hot as if i was on an eca or something...i get these hot flashes. Ive read that nicotine can raise one's BMR and make you loose weight....I was wondering if this is the reason i get these hot flashes and feel warm all day. I was also wondering if any of you retain some water whenever you smoke cigarretes...since it raises your body temperature??

 

[Crazier]

I quit about 3 weeks ago, after smoking for 7 years. I never got hot in the day, unless I would try and go without a smoke. That'd be a nic fit... and I'd start sweating and shit. Does this happen to you, right after you have a smoke... or, does it happen after you haven't had one for a while... and could it be a nic fit???

Either way, pick up some Nicorette and call it a day.
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[TheGame2001]

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I don't know about getting hot but nicotine does burn fat. When i get ready for a show, 8 weeks out I start smoking about 1 or 2 cigars a day.

 

[saint808]

Well technically nicotine is a stimulant, therefore it can cause some mild thermogenesis, but shouldn't really.

 

[Y_lifter]

Maybe the burning is caused by the Cigg. butts that fall into your lap and catch your pants on fire?

 

[toga22]

I used to smoke a lot and quit for 3+ years...except for during all the stress I went through last week. (But forunately didn't bring the habit home with me)

Anyway, I always thought that smoking slowed down your circulaton thus making you colder.

 

[SonnyBlack]

I quit about 3 weeks ago, after smoking for 7 years. I never got hot in the day, unless I would try and go without a smoke. That'd be a nic fit... and I'd start sweating and shit. Does this happen to you, right after you have a smoke... or, does it happen after you haven't had one for a while... and could it be a nic fit???

Either way, pick up some Nicorette and call it a day.
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it usually happens after i havent had a smoke in one or two days...why does this happen???

 

[Crazier]

it usually happens after i havent had a smoke in one or two days...why does this happen???

Withdrawl from nicotine my friend. It's a drug, and when your body doesn't have it, you'll sweat, get a headache, etc...; this is what makes quitting hard. But, that's exactly what it is that you are feeling.
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[Code]

No it only makes you look stupid, smell bad and cause a plethora of cancers.

 

[SonnyBlack]

bump

 

[Crazier]

bump

Bump? What else do you need to find out Sonny? I mean, I think Code summed up how most of the reader's on this board feel about cigarettes. Cigarette's are bad for you in every imaginable way. Under no circumstance, is a cigarette ever a positive thing for you. I mean, your experiencing hot flashes, and your bumping this thread like you don't understand you have an addiction to a drug and your body is going through a withdrawl. You just seem to have a problem admitting that.
I'm not one to lecture man, but damn... www.spellypukinghabit.com Cigarette's kill more peple than accident's, heart attacks, and murders combined. Stat's don't lie.
Check out the damn site, realize the addiction you have, and set a date that you will quit setting yourself up for sure way to a SELF INFLICTED, painful, slow death.
And, if you only smoke a cig a day... it only lead's to more anyway, so quit now before it becomes a problem. (Denial is a bitch.)
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[SonnyBlack]

thats very tru bro...cigarretes are a disgusting habit and i havent smoked for 3 days straight...i know its small but its a start...im not in denial..i saw that i had a problem and im doing something about it. The thing I was curious about was the fact that ever since I stopped smoking(the first day annd still today) ive been getting hot flashes and my face gets all flushed...thats what i was curious to know. I wanted to know if this is some sort of withdrawal effect or something or if anybody else experiences this.

 

[Crazier]

Yeah bro... it's withdrawal. And, I shit you not... after the 3rd day, it starts to get easier at that point. I'm not bullshitting you, just because that's the day you happen to be on. A lot of people can attest that after you have been 'clean' of nicotine for 3 days, your physical withdrawls diminish drastically.
After a week, the sweats, headaches, etc... they'll be gone. And, you won't want to smoke. When you go out for a few drinks, that's the hard part. I still bring a piece of nicorette with me to the bar, as a just in case. I don't want to bum one from the guy next to me in a moment of weakness.

Good luck bro.
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[SonnyBlack]

Yeah bro... it's withdrawal. And, I shit you not... after the 3rd day, it starts to get easier at that point. I'm not bullshitting you, just because that's the day you happen to be on. A lot of people can attest that after you have been 'clean' of nicotine for 3 days, your physical withdrawls diminish drastically.
After a week, the sweats, headaches, etc... they'll be gone. And, you won't want to smoke. When you go out for a few drinks, that's the hard part. I still bring a piece of nicorette with me to the bar, as a just in case. I don't want to bum one from the guy next to me in a moment of weakness.

Good luck bro.
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Its now been 6 days and i still havent had a smoke bro...just thought Id let you know....I havent even had a craving for them in like 2 days.

 

[SonnyBlack]

7 days and counting....withdrawals are just about gone....

 

[Crazier]

7 days and counting....withdrawals are just about gone....

Props to you bro!!! Good job man! And, you are right... with 7 days down, your physical withdrawls should be pretty tolerable, if there at all anymore. Just stay strong and remember why you wanted to quit in the first place. As you know, there are many. It's just a mental game now.

Excellent job my friend... hang in there!!!
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[ccc]

7 days and counting....withdrawals are just about gone....

Great job bro! Remember the physical aspect is gone. Now if you do "want" to smoke again it is strictly a behavioral thing. Remember, you will not die if you dont smoke, you can if you do. Good Luck!

 

[SonnyBlack]

thanx bros...your support played a big role in my quitting of cigarrettes. I appreciate it like you wouldnt believe. 8 days and counting....

 

[CRNT93]

Nicotine is a strong lipolytic.It dramatically increases free fatty
acids in the blood.It has also shown to increase test and GH levels.Smokers have on the average 10%higher test levels...there are studies on this.
Don't know if it is a thermogenic.

 

[SonnyBlack]

does smoking really raise your test levels...im off them for good no matter what but i wasjust wondering because of the last statement.....

 

[Julez]

Nicotine is a strong lipolytic.It dramatically increases free fatty
acids in the blood.It has also shown to increase test and GH levels.Smokers have on the average 10%higher test levels...there are studies on this.
Don't know if it is a thermogenic.

Bullshit. Give me names, sources. You will lose plenty of weight when you get cancer.

Smoking is bad, is bad, is bad.

Hey, why not shoot speed instead? You lose lots of fat, intense workouts, mega-thermagenisis. Sounds stupid? Well I'd rather do this than smoke cigarretes.

 

[curling]

I quit about 3 weeks ago, after smoking for 7 years.
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Dang dude you quit huh? Man, I quit when I was in my early 20's and hated cigarettes(preached against them and everything) Then bad things happened in my life that were stressing so I started again mid 30s.

I did have a goal that I was going to quit when I hit 40(2 or three years from now)cold turkey {that's how I quit things) but lately my kids have been giving me a hard time so now I think I am going to quit at the end of the summer. For some reason I like smoking when I am on the lake. And I would like one summer in my boat smoking(sounds dumb huh)

But anyway was it hard to quit? I am especially going to miss the after dinner smoke that one is always the best.

 

[CRNT93]

Bullshit. Give me names, sources. You will lose plenty of weight when you get cancer.

"In fact, a study on smoking showed that it actually elevated some very important hormones involved in muscle growth. According to the study, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) was 18% higher in smokers, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) was 13% higher in smokers, androstenedione was 33% higher in smokers, testosterone was 9% higher in smokers, and DHT was 13% higher in smokers."


http://www.ast-ss.com/dev/qa_search/full_text.asp?ID=1

 

[CRNT93]

Abstract OBJECTIVE: To evaluate whether the lipolytic effects of systemic nicotine are not only attributed to indirect adrenergic mechanisms, but also to a direct action of nicotine on fat cells. DESIGN: The effect of a systemic nicotine infusion (0.5 &mgr;g/kg/min for 30 min) on lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue was investigated in situ in 11 non-obese, non-smoking, healthy male subjects under placebo-controlled conditions. MEASUREMENTS: By using microdialysis probes the glycerol levels (lipolysis index) and blood flow were monitored locally in subcutaneous adipose tissue. RESULTS: Plasma nicotine levels peaked (7.2 ng/ml) at the end of the infusion. Nicotine induced a mean (+/-s.e.) percentage peak increase in adrenaline and noradrenaline plasma levels of 213+/-30% (P<0.01) and 118+/-5% (P<0.05), respectively. Nicotine increased venous plasma glycerol levels by 144+/-9% (P<0.001), arterialized plasma glycerol levels by 148+/-12% (P<0.001) and adipose glycerol levels by 148+/-16% (P<0.001), but did not alter blood flow. By inducing a local cholinoceptor blockade with mecamylamine (10(-5) M) via the microdialysis system, the increase in adipose glycerol levels was inhibited by approximately 45% (P=0.02). A corresponding local beta-adrenoceptor blockade with propranolol (10(-4) M), inhibited the increase in adipose glycerol levels by approximately 60% (P=0.02). Infusion of saline (ie placebo) had no effect on the parameters mentioned above. CONCLUSION: Systemically administered nicotine induces lipolysis, in part by activating the classical adrenergic mechanism (mediated by a nicotine-induced release of catecholamines stimulating beta-adrenoceptors), and in part by directly activating a nicotinic cholinergic lipolytic receptor located in adipose tissue.

 

[Crazier]

But anyway was it hard to quit? I am especially going to miss the after dinner smoke that one is always the best.

The after dinner smoke... lol... no shit brother!!! Damn, packing in a mean dinner and havin' a smoke afterwards.... aahhhhh!!!! Even better than a smoke after sex, I don't care what anyone says. It's nice not having to get up and go outside after sex anymore though. It's been about 5 weeks. Whew!!!

I didn't know you smoked bro. And, I hear you about your kids giving you shit. Damn, my daughter just turned 5 and she would tear me a new one everytime I had one. I know you said he quit things cold turkey, that's 'how you do things' and everything, but you don't have to be He-Man on this one. It's possible to pass those real hard times without having to feel so shitty.

The first few times I quit, I did it cold turkey too. This time, as you probably read, I used nicorette. And wow brother, no bullshit... it helped. I probably used about 20 pieces of gum to quit. I only had one when I felt like I was going to explode, or had a bad headache. Other than that, I'd let myself suffer and just deal with it. Now, I only carry a piece when I head to the bar to get trashed. It usually get's chewed by the end of the night.


I'm saving money, I smell better, and I breathe better. It's 3 days of hell. After that, it get's easier. I hope you can quit soon curling... try not to put it off 3 years, you know that won't make it any easier man. I can understand the whole smoking while boating thing though. For ONE summer anyway! Don't be to proud to use something to help you out... the nicotine in the gum really did fix the fits I had. I didn't think it would, but once I started using it, as soon as I bit into the gum... the first bite, I would get that rush of nicotine feeling through my body. Instantly. Just like a smoke.

Enough preachin' . Good luck to you when you decide to quit.
Better to be a pussy that used a crutch like gum, than to hear you're gonna die painfully and young from smoking. At the point those words come out of the doc's mouth, 3 days of nic fits would seem like a fucking field day, and the only thing you'd be left with is regret, constant coughing, air tank deliveries, and slowly but definately, death. Okay... now enough preaching.

Set your mind to it. You can do it my friend. If you don't have pictures of your kid's in your wallet... put 'em in when you choose to quit. They are an excellent reminder of how important you are, not only to yourself, but to others, and it's easier to look at the picture and envision what it would be like for them if dad had to leave them 30 years early.
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[curling]

Set your mind to it. You can do it my friend. If you don't have pictures of your kid's in your wallet... put 'em in when you choose to quit. They are an excellent reminder of how important you are, not only to yourself, but to others, and it's easier to look at the picture and envision what it would be like for them if dad had to leave them 30 years early.
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Man dude I am coming off a cycle on clomid. Do you want me to start crying in my office.

Anyway man, thanks for the advice I think you might be right about the nicorette gum helping because this will be my second to quit and I heard that is harder than the first time. So I think I might by some when I put my mind to it. I have pretty much set a date to quit right after labor day of this year.

But kudos to you dude for quitting I bet your kids are exstatic.

 

[Julez]

Abstract OBJECTIVE: To evaluate whether the lipolytic effects of systemic nicotine are not only attributed to indirect adrenergic mechanisms, but also to a direct action of nicotine on fat cells. DESIGN: The effect of a systemic nicotine infusion (0.5 &mgr;g/kg/min for 30 min) on lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue was investigated in situ in 11 non-obese, non-smoking, healthy male subjects under placebo-controlled conditions. MEASUREMENTS: By using microdialysis probes the glycerol levels (lipolysis index) and blood flow were monitored locally in subcutaneous adipose tissue. RESULTS: Plasma nicotine levels peaked (7.2 ng/ml) at the end of the infusion. Nicotine induced a mean (+/-s.e.) percentage peak increase in adrenaline and noradrenaline plasma levels of 213+/-30% (P<0.01) and 118+/-5% (P<0.05), respectively. Nicotine increased venous plasma glycerol levels by 144+/-9% (P<0.001), arterialized plasma glycerol levels by 148+/-12% (P<0.001) and adipose glycerol levels by 148+/-16% (P<0.001), but did not alter blood flow. By inducing a local cholinoceptor blockade with mecamylamine (10(-5) M) via the microdialysis system, the increase in adipose glycerol levels was inhibited by approximately 45% (P=0.02). A corresponding local beta-adrenoceptor blockade with propranolol (10(-4) M), inhibited the increase in adipose glycerol levels by approximately 60% (P=0.02). Infusion of saline (ie placebo) had no effect on the parameters mentioned above. CONCLUSION: Systemically administered nicotine induces lipolysis, in part by activating the classical adrenergic mechanism (mediated by a nicotine-induced release of catecholamines stimulating beta-adrenoceptors), and in part by directly activating a nicotinic cholinergic lipolytic receptor located in adipose tissue.

Firstly, I looked at the web page but there was no mention of where, when this 'research' was carried out. In any case,I would argue quite the opposite that nicotine 'suppresses' testosterone an tobacco in itself is a source of eostrogen(as is Marujanna, beer, etc.... three ring?) any escalation in Testosterone is in fact the body's attempt restoring homeostasis- he even mentioned it could be a 'spike'.

Intrestingly, he was only refering to chewing tobaccI o, not cigarrette smoking(to which this thread refers). Again will emphasize that he has NO scientific basis for his claims.

As far the extract above, you should know that it is not specific in what beta-adrenoreceptor it effects, however I suspect it is B2(ie effects smooth muscle in the heart/blood vessels). Not really what you need, but in any case this, if true, would make nicotine effective in treating people with hypertension, I think not.

As for adrenline, WHY? Whats wrong with good old caffiene, taurine, ephadrine, pumping music, the atmosphere? this always gets my adrenline up.

Lastly, one of the biggest problems with cigarrete smoking is it interferes with the ability of RBC's to transport O2 due to C0 which is TOTTALLY incompatible with fat loss or muscle building..... (Tortorra, 2000).

I would write more but I'm going to bed soon.

 

[CRNT93]

I'm not saying that smoking or nicotine is in anyones best interest,just reporting some interesting things about it.
Yes,it is very addictive and does plenty of bad things to the body but it can also have positive effects,such as on memory in alzheimers patients.
I have read that some pro's use nicotine(patch)at the end of their contest prep to get even leaner.It stimulates dopamine.Dopamine does affect GH and Test levels in the body.
Michael Colgan said in MD years ago that nicotine was a tremendously effective lipolytic but unfortunately,of course,very addictive and was not worth taking.