Does HCG cause gyno directly?

[The Terminator]

Term, Test at 200 per week with 50mgs' of Proviron aint going to do it?! It worked fine until a coupld of weeks ago. Something screwy going on?

There are plenty of guys here that are on ALOT more test than that for X number of weeks and they still get problems...

Ive seen posts with guys on 1000 mg/week of test and still had libido/and or erectile problems .

 

[Smokescreen]

I"m using that MOFO as we speak at 40 per day. Should I stick with the Aromasin? Switch to femera maybe while I keep using the HCG at 250ius per day?

 

[Smokescreen]

Why is that? Isn't test supposed to help in that?

 

[The Terminator]

Why is that? Isn't test supposed to help in that?

Yes, but even with really high levels of exogenous test the body eventually seems to still get accustomed to it
I would bet if you up the Test to 400 mg/week you will get that big libido surge again (amongst other sides)

 

[Smokescreen]

Guys! I have been using Nolva at 80mg's per day now for 2 weeks! And this shit is not going down! It actually got bigger...but has stopped growing. Could this be progesterone induced gyno? How do I get rid of this shit???? I'm serious here!

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

back off the hcg (if you haven't already) proper hcg dose is not daily for 10 weeks. It should be a few days mid cycle and more days postcyle (assuming the cycle is 12 weeks or shorter).

I would drop the hcg and continue the nolva @ 40mgs not 80mgs for about ten days. Then back off to 20mgsED for 2 weeks Are you still injecting the tren as well? Have you been opn like 12 weeks now?

Just come off and get your bloodwork and get the HPTA back in line. That is my opinion, with the blood work you should be able to talk to the doctor and get medical advice. I am glad I have a doctor I can be straight with. Proper bloodwork should help identify the problem.

good luck Carth.

 

[Smokescreen]

I stopped the HCG a long time ago. Actually as of today I have switched down to 40mg's of Nolva. The tren..yes! I am still injecting it but not ED anymore. Now I do it EOD.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ok get this! I dropped the Nolva down to 40mg's. I'll be dropping it down to 20 coming this Monday. Started taking the Tren at 100mg's ED again! And took already a shot of HCG at 250ius 2 days ago. NO FUCKING LIE! But my gyno is coming down!! Oh! Did I mention that I stopped taking P7 a while back too!

 

[nbk]

Ok question here... on another post I read that nolva inhibits femara upto 40%

Nolvadex (tamoxifin) and Letrozole.

Pharmacokinetic interactions

The combination of an aromatase inhibitor with tamoxifen is a possible route whereby improved efficacy of endrocrine therapy might be achieved. The consideration of such clinical combinations requires assessment of potential pharmacokinetic interactions. This was stressed by the study of Lien et al. (1990), who demonstrated that combination with AG led to decreases in tamoxifen concentrations of about 70%. We have now performed an analogous study with anastrozole, and found that this inhibitor does not lead to decreased tamoxifen concentrations (Dowsett et al. 1999b). In this issue of Endocrine-Related Cancer, Ingle et al. (1999) also report that letrozole has no impact on tamoxifen concentrations. Thus these two compounds may be added to tamoxifen with no concern that the pharmacokinetics of the antioestrogen will be compromised. However, unexpectedly, we have noted that, conversely, in combination with tamoxifen, the plasma concentrations of letrozole are reduced by between 35 and 40% (Dowsett et al. 1997). The mechanism underlying this highly unexpected finding is at present unknown. No other drugs are known to interact with tamoxifen in this manner, but it is of concern that systematic pharmacokinetic interaction studies with tamoxifen have been relatively limited, despite the millions of women years of its usage. Decreases in AG concentration did not occur when it was combined with tamoxifen. The question of whether the anastrozole-tamoxifen combination will demonstrate this difference is currently under study. As a result of this pharmacokinetic interaction, the plasma concentrations of letrozole are equivalent to those predicted to be achieved by 1.5-2.0 mg/day when given alone. It is possible that this may be of clinical importance because, as mentioned above, there is a dose-response relationship between letrozole 0.5 mg/day and 2.5 mg/day (Dombernowsky et al. 1998, Gershanovich et al. 1998). Thus, with the combination, the complete additive efficacy of letrozole may not be achieved.

In the prescription that comes with arimidex it says that it should not be combined with nolva (tamoxifeno).

I'm taking hcg and taking femara... have my doubt if femara will be enough to stop gyno from hcg, if I use nolva i cant trust

what about clomid, Im was thinking on doing recovery on low dosages of femara and clomid.

Does anyone have any idea of the guidelines to use when playing with aromatasa inhibitors and serms

 

[nbk]

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