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Does Good Come From God?
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I imagined you saying this in a southern charasmatic preacher voice...saying the final "s" all funny and drawn out
Strongbow
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I imagined you saying this in a southern charasmatic preacher voice...saying the final "s" all funny and drawn out
Do you have my office bugged
LOLZ you know I bes talking Southern. 
Ah, I used to do my Baptist minister imitation, so phonetically that line would be pronounced:
"ee-in the Nay-Um of Jay-SUS! His nay-um be pray-sed, let-me-hear-you-say hall-ay-loo-ya!"
Strongbow
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LMAO very well said MM
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EarthRider
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I find it interesting how people will bring up how it is wrong to prject your beliefs on others. They will then make a comment like it is fact "Buddhism around longer then Christianity".
Christians believe the story of Adam and Eve being the first human beings on earth. So making a statement that Buddhism is around longer then Christianity is false.
So what am I getting at. As a Christian I hear people tell me not to push my beliefs on other, which I don't unless people ask. BUt then they will go off on me about why I should vote for Obama, be for gay marriage, etc. Everbody pushes there beliefs on others. If you didn't talk about your beliefs in a way that made it sound like it is truth, then why would I believe it.
Christians believe the story of Adam and Eve being the first human beings on earth. So making a statement that Buddhism is around longer then Christianity is false.
So what am I getting at. As a Christian I hear people tell me not to push my beliefs on other, which I don't unless people ask. BUt then they will go off on me about why I should vote for Obama, be for gay marriage, etc. Everbody pushes there beliefs on others. If you didn't talk about your beliefs in a way that made it sound like it is truth, then why would I believe it.
I never said gods and the religions that surround them were the same thing, and I use the terms when I mean to. I was going to write about that just now, but it doesn't really have to do with this specific argument so I'll save it for another time.
Anyways, my point is just that you may not realize it, but you're projecting your beliefs on others here. Your god is your moral absolute, so I can agree that to you good and evil exist measured by the 'good' standard of your god. But your god, or more importantly any god at all, isn't everybody's moral absolute.
Buddhism has been around longer than Christianity and Buddhists don't believe in a god or gods. The original Buddha did not believe in a 'creator' and believed thoughts of a supreme being were a waste of time that could have been spent reaching nirvana.
Buddha also is not and never claimed to be a god, and his followers do not believe in one, but they have clear distinctions and ideas between good and evil and also clear paths to get to either extreme. A god is not their moral absolute, a plain man who lived a good life is, and that is how the measure and define good and evil.
Abstract ideas like good and evil exist with or without a god, maybe not for you, but in general definitely.
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Adam and Eve weren't Christians and nobody claims they were. Lol What are you talking about? Just because Christians believe the world started with these people doesn't mean they were Christians or that Christianity started with them.
And I didn't say she was pushing her beliefs on anybody. I said she was projecting. She had said logically good and evil couldn't exist without God, He being a moral absolute. I was arguing that she only saw it that way because He was her moral absolute.
You're talking about people trying to make others believe what they believe. I'm talking about making an argument that's only logical if you assume someone has the same belief you do.
And I didn't say she was pushing her beliefs on anybody. I said she was projecting. She had said logically good and evil couldn't exist without God, He being a moral absolute. I was arguing that she only saw it that way because He was her moral absolute.
You're talking about people trying to make others believe what they believe. I'm talking about making an argument that's only logical if you assume someone has the same belief you do.
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EarthRider
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You are right, they were Jewish. Christ wasn't on the scene until later on. No matter what you say though, I will always believe Adam and Eve were the first Jews on the scene of History.
I think that we all are passionate about what we believe. And honestly I don't have these conversations with people that don't have the same faith because it usually doesn't pay anyway. Usually when someone is convinced something is false, there is no way you will ever show them otherwise.
So what I am saying, I believe what I believe, and I believe it is truth no matter what anybody else tells me. You believe what you believe, and it isn't going to change either. And say what you want, you know thats true, lol.
I think that we all are passionate about what we believe. And honestly I don't have these conversations with people that don't have the same faith because it usually doesn't pay anyway. Usually when someone is convinced something is false, there is no way you will ever show them otherwise.
So what I am saying, I believe what I believe, and I believe it is truth no matter what anybody else tells me. You believe what you believe, and it isn't going to change either. And say what you want, you know thats true, lol.
