Does crystal DNP require cornstarch before encapsulation?

[Sterone]

The batch of crystal DNP is almost dry and I wonder, since I have added 1 part baking soda to 1 part DNP and mixed them in water, when it dries will it still require cornstarch in order to remain stable in capsules, or will the baking soda crystalization accomplish this?

 

[Andy13]

One question--- How are you going to measure out an accurate dose? What you will end up with is DNP and a bunch of unreacted baking soda.

 

[Hbone]

Good call Andy. Not good to not know you dosage of dinitrophenol!!!!!!!!!!

 

[brianharper94]

the corn startch is so it won't damage the caps.....no need for baking soda.

 

[Hbone]

The corn starch is filler to allow you to use "o" or "oo" capsules and calculate the dosage per cap. Drying your Dnp if it has 15% h20 will keep it from dissolving the caps.

 

[Sterone]

One question--- How are you going to measure out an accurate dose?

I'm not sure I read you. 10 grams DNP with 10 grams baking soda = 20 grams total crystal DNP. Once the water evaporates there should not be more than 15-20% water left. Then I can add 10 grams cornstarch if necessary. If I do that, then each capsule will be about 33% DNP, 33% baking soda, and 33% cornstarch.
Then when dosing, take this into consideration when doing the math (as to how many capsules to take). Example: If each capsule's contents weigh 200mg, 1/3 of that is dnp, which = about 66mg.

What you will end up with is DNP and a bunch of unreacted baking soda.

How is that? I though if you add water to baking soda and DNP you have crystal DNP, no?

 

[Sterone]

Good call Andy. Not good to not know you dosage of dinitrophenol!!!!!!!!!!

Well that would be quite dangerous, would'nt it?
I still don't see where you are getting the idea that the dosage would be unknown based on the above method?

 

[Sterone]

The corn starch is filler to allow you to use "o" or "oo" capsules and calculate the dosage per cap. Drying your Dnp if it has 15% h20 will keep it from dissolving the caps.

That makes sense. The only other reason [than filler] to use cornstarch is if the batch is wetter than 15%. You're a good man Hbone. You have answered my question.

 

[brianharper94]

What they are saying is how do you know that the 100mg you take from this is going to be half DNP? It could be 100mg of DNP, 100 mg of baking soda, or any other combination of numbers that add up to 100. I believe what Andy meant when he said to mix it with baking soda was for after you have your dose preselected, then break the cap in a glass of water and baking soda which would then make it react the same as crystal DNP.

 

[Sterone]

What they are saying is how do you know that the 100mg you take from this is going to be half DNP? It could be 100mg of DNP, 100 mg of baking soda, or any other combination of numbers that add up to 100.

You mean stirring it around in the cup both before and after the water is added isn't enough? Now you're making me paranoid. Now I'm going to have crush it up again to a fine powder one it dries, and stir it for a half hour before putting it in capsules. Don't tell me this won't be enough?

I believe what Andy meant when he said to mix it with baking soda was for after you have your dose preselected, then break the cap in a glass of water and baking soda which would then make it react the same as crystal DNP.

Well whatever Andy meant, it's too late now I've already done it. If what you say is true, at least I won't have to add the baking soda when I break a capsule into the glass of water to drink it.

 

[Sterone]

You know what, I was just looking at the drying DNP batch, and it seems pretty easy to tell the uniformity of it because of the color. There are a few clumps of DNP about the size of a BB, and they are a darker orange and easy to spot since the whole batch is spread as thin as possible on the foil. The rest of it looks uniform in color and I am convinced it is possible to mix this stuff thoroughly to the point of uniformity.
ANDY what do you think? Since the baking soda has been already mixed and bonded (with water) with the DNP, if you just swallowed a capsule and drank some water, wouldn't that be good enough, or should more baking soda be mixed in once the batch dries?

 

[Hbone]

Sterone the complications come in with crystal because the reactive amounts are, at least to my knowledge are unknown. Follow me here 10 grams dnp, + 10 grams baking soda = 20 grams crystal dnp,,,, maybe not, might be 13grams crystal 7 grams baking soda, not sure . see what Im getting at. The general consensus seems to be that the combo somehow makes it more readily available, Im not so sure because dnp is easily absorb through any part of the body. Dont believe me take a cap. break it open put on the skin.

 

[Andy13]

Well, the molar ratio needed to convert DNP to crystal DNP with baking soda is 1:1.. But that's NOT 1g:1g.. It's 1 molecule per 1 molecule..

When baking soda reacts with DNP, carbon dioxide (gas) is a product..


So if you put 10g of DNP along with 10g baking soda, will will end up with less than 20g.

Andy

 

[Hbone]

Andy you mutha - fing scientific stud you. Very nice. Whats your gut telling you on the crystal thing Is it Ph. Or potentcy reaction. what do you think. Never done crystal and probably to much powder.

 

[Sterone]

Ok here's what I'll do then. Adding more baking soda dry is not a good idea because it would cause gas in the stomach.
When the batch dries, I'll weigh it to find out how much of the baking soda turned to carbon dioxide, and I'll encapsulate it. Now Andy, is it possible that any of this is acutally crystal DNP? If so I would think it wise to take the capsules like they were 100% crystal DNP to be safe.