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Does Anyone Here Really Believe That Gunman Acting aLONE Shot
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Frackal
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Lone Assassin Means "Lone Nut" Who Worked On His Own With No Backing, Affiliation or Collaboration By Any Group or Entity
John F Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
Martin Luther King
Ronald Reagan
Also John Lennon
John F Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
Martin Luther King
Ronald Reagan
Also John Lennon
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Frackal
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You dont' have to call yourself a conspiracy theorist which can have negative connotations when what you really are is someone who is being inquisitive and aware.
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Frackal
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Further are we to believe that every attempted and successful political assassination in this country (with the exception of Malcom X) was conducted by a lone nut with no motivations other than his own crazy ones?
Can we conclude that the nature of Humans and Politics makes it very likely that there will be political assassinations such as Kennedy, Kennedy and Reagan that are guaranteed to occur in a 100 year span due to the struggles of those in power and the natural process of such?
And if we can conclude that group-backed politically motivated assissinations are bound to occur; can conclude that lone assassins did not kill these men, than can we also conclude that unless the same group is responsible for all of these acts that there is a policy of deception and mendacity regarding the truth of these incidents?
And if we can conclude that, what else can we conclude?
Can we conclude that the nature of Humans and Politics makes it very likely that there will be political assassinations such as Kennedy, Kennedy and Reagan that are guaranteed to occur in a 100 year span due to the struggles of those in power and the natural process of such?
And if we can conclude that group-backed politically motivated assissinations are bound to occur; can conclude that lone assassins did not kill these men, than can we also conclude that unless the same group is responsible for all of these acts that there is a policy of deception and mendacity regarding the truth of these incidents?
And if we can conclude that, what else can we conclude?
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Frackal
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WODIN said:
Let me clarify:
Lone Assassin Means "Lone Nut" Who Carried Out Assassination On His Own With No Help Or Affiliation With Any Group"
Mandinka2
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That's very kind but I don't think that one should pass judgement upon themselves. Sadly peoples origin and media within their country of origin colours their political thinking to such an extent that they are unable to accept differing views and unwilling to investigate the veracity of those views. That is truly sad.Frackal said:
THERE IS DEFINITELY A BIGGER PICTURE BEHIND THE ASSASSINATIONS OF JFK AND RFK THAN WE ARE BEING LED TO BELIEVE. JFK WAS SHOT BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON, RFK WAS SHOT BY ONE PERSON. BUT THEY DIDNT "ACT ALONE".
MLK WAS SHOT BY A PERSON WHO THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WHITE RACE A FAVOR. I THINK HE ACTED ALONE BUT HE THOUGHT HE WAS ACTING ON BEHALF OF OTHERS.
LENNON......YES (CHAPMAN WAS JUST PLAIN NUTS).
REGAN.......YES
HOWEVER, ANY ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON A U.S. PRESIDENT IS TRICKY. HE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD AND MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY WANT HIM DEAD.
KAYNE
MLK WAS SHOT BY A PERSON WHO THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WHITE RACE A FAVOR. I THINK HE ACTED ALONE BUT HE THOUGHT HE WAS ACTING ON BEHALF OF OTHERS.
LENNON......YES (CHAPMAN WAS JUST PLAIN NUTS).
REGAN.......YES
HOWEVER, ANY ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON A U.S. PRESIDENT IS TRICKY. HE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD AND MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY WANT HIM DEAD.
KAYNE
Mandinka2
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Convenient isn't it? But it is also possible. It does however appear highly improbable.Frackal said:
Of course , Frackal , you really should be in Europe , there is so much more information here . People doubt everything , which does the economies no favour but makes for very interesting philosophical discussion.Frackal said:
We can only speculate as to the probability for the chain of events unless some of use are in possession of a sufficient resource base and have sufficient motivation to conduct private investigations. When in college I read through the entire transcript of the Nurember trials because I was sick and tired of a one-sided (re: fictionalised) account of events in popular media. Then I became interested in Bertrand Russell , the English mathematician and philisopher. I think you would find his work very interesting but also very sad that the West was able to gag him effectively.Frackal said:
That there is no "truth" , there is only a perceived "truth" and information as we receive it must always bear in mind the vehicle through which that information is received for it's veracity , it's "truth-like" quality to be determined.Frackal said:
Well then In terms of Lone Nuts I would have to agree with Ko-Kayne's points.
Hinkley and Chapman are just wackos.
Surhan SUrhan was probably coerced into action.
You want someone to kill for you then you have to find someone with super strong moral convictions and ethics that can be turned based on relativistic thinking. Surhan was a devoute muslim and had a strong belief in his way of life.
Hinkley and Chapman are just wackos.
Surhan SUrhan was probably coerced into action.
You want someone to kill for you then you have to find someone with super strong moral convictions and ethics that can be turned based on relativistic thinking. Surhan was a devoute muslim and had a strong belief in his way of life.
circusgirl
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Re: Re: Does Anyone Here Really Believe That Gunman Acting aLONE Shot
isn't Reagan still alive???? Or is that Nancy?
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isn't Reagan still alive???? Or is that Nancy?
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Frackal
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Have to disagree with you fellas about Hinkley .... and possibly about Chapman
Hinkley isnt just some random guy. His family and Bush's family go way back among other things
Remember, the CIA was working hard at building assassins back during the cold war ... For a multitude of reasons I believe that it is very plausible that Sirhan Sirhan in particular was one...with James Earl Ray, Chapman and Hinkley being probables...
Remember, during the 60's the intelligence community and establishment as a whole were very concerned with all the upheavel and dissent.... there was also quite a lot of racism and hatred against blacks back then.
Given the situation and what I know now of human nature, as well as al the info I gathered when I used to be into researching this stuff relentlessly, it is my opinion that MLK was not killed by a lone nut acting on his own.
I have to wonder why you would say "Hinkley and Chapman are just wackos" - Have you researched it more in-depth before making that assertion??
Hinkley isnt just some random guy. His family and Bush's family go way back among other things
Remember, the CIA was working hard at building assassins back during the cold war ... For a multitude of reasons I believe that it is very plausible that Sirhan Sirhan in particular was one...with James Earl Ray, Chapman and Hinkley being probables...
Remember, during the 60's the intelligence community and establishment as a whole were very concerned with all the upheavel and dissent.... there was also quite a lot of racism and hatred against blacks back then.
Given the situation and what I know now of human nature, as well as al the info I gathered when I used to be into researching this stuff relentlessly, it is my opinion that MLK was not killed by a lone nut acting on his own.
I have to wonder why you would say "Hinkley and Chapman are just wackos" - Have you researched it more in-depth before making that assertion??
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HULKSTER
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There is a man by the name of John A. who is much more deserving of being picked off, than people such as JFK or MLK.
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Frackal
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Zebo said:
You also lived perhaps during JFK, when the public largely accepted that Oswald was the lone killer...now with facts coming to light over the years a vast majority of Americans including a congressional investigation believe the opposite... so your point is irrelevant Old Man ;^)
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HULKSTER
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Like I said, instead of JFK----JA
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HULKSTER said:
I have a bad feeling about you HULKSTER! You seem to be on the road to "Famousville!"
Testosterone boy
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Bobby would have avenged his brothers death. Obvious that he had to go.
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Frackal said:
Be careful Frackal! Don't dig to deep! Don't be to brave to fast! Unless you have a backup plan in case the "Heat" appeares!
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Frackal
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Wait, are you implying you believe that Oswald was the lone shooter?
Zebo
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Something else to add from an old man. I'm in Dallas.
My father was standing in Daley Plaza on his lunch hour, November 22, 1963 to watch his President's motorcade. He can even be seen for a few seconds in the Zapruder film.
He heard three distinct rifle shots. Knew exactly what was happening. It was obvious to everyone there it came from the Texas Schoolbook Depository. ( You know, the one that is now a tourist attraction of a sniper's nest) According to him, he saw and heard nothing from the Grassy Knoll. That's why the police ran directly into the building. It was all horribly obvious.
He was there. No "facts" from some obscure website. No what ifs. No republican conspiracies. No hindsight. He witnessed the murder of JFK less than 30 yards in front of him.
Just relating a story....believe what you want. I'm out.
My father was standing in Daley Plaza on his lunch hour, November 22, 1963 to watch his President's motorcade. He can even be seen for a few seconds in the Zapruder film.
He heard three distinct rifle shots. Knew exactly what was happening. It was obvious to everyone there it came from the Texas Schoolbook Depository. ( You know, the one that is now a tourist attraction of a sniper's nest) According to him, he saw and heard nothing from the Grassy Knoll. That's why the police ran directly into the building. It was all horribly obvious.
He was there. No "facts" from some obscure website. No what ifs. No republican conspiracies. No hindsight. He witnessed the murder of JFK less than 30 yards in front of him.
Just relating a story....believe what you want. I'm out.
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HULKSTER
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Shame on you, Zebo.
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Frackal
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Zebo said:
Sorry buddy....your father may have heard 3 shots, or he may have applied the official story released very soon afterwards to his memories over time... don't know what to tell you there.
Now you need to stop right there, with your "all horribly obvious" garbage.
Other police officers, and a shitload of witnesses heard shots from the knole...I'm sure shots did come from the book depository.
BTW, you have to assume that 2 bullets accounted for the 8-10 wounds in connelly and JFK if there were only 3 shots, because one of the 3 knicked a gentleman standing on an underpass.
And you can clearly see in the Zapruder film at least 3-4 shots hitting kennedy alone, to say nothing for connelly who was hit multiple times as well.
But I wont argue this with you beyond that...if it is your opinion that it was just Oswald, ok.
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