DOC! Test score are in, Please help!

[JKurz1]

Here's what I got....I don't want to be on HRT! I'm 28....need some suggestions.....

I have a quick question/problem that I hope you may be able to help me with. These are my test scores:\



My doc has prescribed some more tests, but has also put me on the Androderm patch…..will this help my situation at all or is it asking for trouble??? Much thanks!!





choleserol - 125
TriGly - 38
HDL-CHol (61)
AST - 48
ALT - 67

TESTOSTERONE, SERUM 160NG/DL - VERY LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INSULIN (<2.0)
PROLACTIN (8.0)
TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) - 70NG/DL
T4 - 6.5 UG/DL
FREE TEST (DIRECT) 3.6 PG/ML
HEMOCYCT, P/S 6.8 UMOL/L
ESTRADIOL - 10PG/ML
CORTISOL 26.6 UG/DL


my liver enzymes were also high (67) and he seemed pretty concerned with that......but they were high a few years ago....he's doing some Heb ABC screening and bone cancer tests.......what do you guys make out of this?

He told me he isn’t concerned, thinks with my test being so low, that it's effecting everything else.....thoughts? HUGE KARMA!


------------------------ -reference ranges-
WBC ---------- 2.2 ---- 4.1-11.3 x10*3/cumm
RBC -----------3.96 ---- 4.2-5.5 x10*6/cumm
Hemoglobin --- 14.1 ---- 13-17.0 gm/dl
MCV ----------102 ---- 82-10 fl
MCH ---------- 35.5---- 27.0-34.0 pg
MCHC ---------34.9 ---- 30.9-35.4 g/dl
RDW ----------13.8 ---- 10.8-14.8 %

Lymphocytes --1.0 ---- 15-50 %
Monocytes ----.2 ---- 0-13 %
Eosinophils ----.1 ---- 0-5 %
Basophils -------0.0 ---- 0-5 %


Cortisol(am) ---- 4.3-22.4 mcg/dl

Testosterone ---- 241-827 ng/dl
(total)


----------------------



Cholesterol Total-186
LDL - 134
HDL - 41

VLDL 11

Triglycerides - 57
Glucose – 90

 

[Paulo]

^, hmm, some of those numbers look quite familiar....


you may want to edit the the parts after the ref ranges, as to cease any confusion

cortisol seems to be pegging the high mark as well. Maybe some phos-serine would help that.


I hope the next tests include LH and FSH.

 

[c gheller]

Did you do any PCT, if so what did you do, how long ago did you finish the PCT if you did one?

 

[JKurz1]

I was a very ignorant college kid when I first tried deca/test....I think that's what killed me.....then with taking some prohormones (legal), It just completely shut me down.......so no, I didnt know what I know now......I have some clomid on hand and will NEVER touch AAS with hcg and nolv as well.....so, what do I do? Stay on the patch? Havent touched AAS in over 14 months.......

 

[Jenetic]

Why haven't you been tested for LH, FSH, Prolactin, both am & pm cortisol including ACTH? There are a variety of factors that attribute to low testosterone levels. There is no reason to jump to conclusions until all the factors have been accounted for.

I can understand your reluctance for AAS, but what is the problem with HCG and nolvadex. You are fine with clomid. Clomid has a similar effect like nolvadex, both SERMs, yet is proven to have more side effects. Unfortunately, the combination of HCG in combination with nolvadex and/or clomid is your best bet for recovery.

To be honest, improper AAS cycling, improper PCT or lack there of and inadequate recovery periods probably attributed to this outcome. However, I would not jump to any conclusion until all the factors for HTPA suppresion have been accounted for.

My recomendation would be to consult with DrJMW and have your blood work done properly.

Good luck.

Jenetic

 

[JKurz1]

I sent you a pm bro....I have nothing against PCT.....all 3...I said I swear I will ALWAYS use them and to quit being so damn ignorant!!!!!

I'm having trouble reading some of these, but I think it goes like this -

FSH (2.0)
PROLACTIN (8.0)
LH (1.9)
CORTISOL 26.6 UG/DL

 

[Jenetic]

After speaking with you through PM and studying your test results further, I have come to a possible reason for your prolonged recovery as well a solution to resolve this problem.

Androgens (testosterone, DHT) antagonize the Glucocorticoid axis. More specifically, androgens decrease the expression of cortisol. The two are dependant upon each other for homeostasis.

Your situation is what many people refer to post cycle. Cortisol levels being elevated which supposedly leads to muscle loss. Highly overated on average but as you can now see, elevated cortisol can and is suppressive to your HPTA. Your testosterone levels are low from imporper PCT. The problem here is that it has gone on so long that cortisol has an overbearing effect in regards to the suppresion.

What this means is good news. There really isn't much wrong. What you need to do is to increase your natural testosterone production. This will concurrently lower your cortisol levels. Your cortisol levels are definitely in the high range and they seem to be causing this prolonged suppression. Decreasing cortisol by increasing your androgens should alleviate the current suppresion and allow for your body to return to homeostasis.

My recommendation is to run another recovery program. This should consist of 1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri), 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks followed by blood work to evaluate your recovery.

This is based solely on what you have presented with blood work including your visit to the Urologist which we discussed in private. I really hate to make a recommendation without throughly understanding your medical history and lifestyle. I may be completely wrong and I may be right. I've only delt with this situation once. It was based upon the same facts presented and my client was successful in his recovery.

Good luck.

Jenetic

 

[JKurz1]

thanx bro...check your pm

 

[JKurz1]

Oh,quick ?....at this stage, wouldnt clomid only suffice?

 

[Jenetic]

No.

Jenetic

 

[gjohnson5]

After speaking with you through PM and studying your test results further, I have come to a possible reason for your prolonged recovery as well a solution to resolve this problem.

Androgens (testosterone, DHT) antagonize the Glucocorticoid axis. More specifically, androgens decrease the expression of cortisol. The two are dependant upon each other for homeostasis.

Your situation is what many people refer to post cycle. Cortisol levels being elevated which supposedly leads to muscle loss. Highly overated on average but as you can now see, elevated cortisol can and is suppressive to your HPTA. Your testosterone levels are low from imporper PCT. The problem here is that it has gone on so long that cortisol has an overbearing effect in regards to the suppresion.

What this means is good news. There really isn't much wrong. What you need to do is to increase your natural testosterone production. This will concurrently lower your cortisol levels. Your cortisol levels are definitely in the high range and they seem to be causing this prolonged suppression. Decreasing cortisol by increasing your androgens should alleviate the current suppresion and allow for your body to return to homeostasis.

My recommendation is to run another recovery program. This should consist of 1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri), 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks followed by blood work to evaluate your recovery.

This is based solely on what you have presented with blood work including your visit to the Urologist which we discussed in private. I really hate to make a recommendation without throughly understanding your medical history and lifestyle. I may be completely wrong and I may be right. I've only delt with this situation once. It was based upon the same facts presented and my client was successful in his recovery.

Good luck.

Jenetic

I was under the impression that after a certain number of months your natural levels of androgens would recover even if you did bad PCT. Your hormonal balance can be permantly affected by improper or no PCT??

 

[liquidmuscle]

your a frickin machine jenetic,, good job bro

 

[view]

Jkruz, did you ever think that maybe your low test levels are a result of overtraining?

 

[JKurz1]

Jkruz, did you ever think that maybe your low test levels are a result of overtraining?

I know bro...I know.....maybe not my test, but def. my cortisol levels......anyone who says Iron 6x week, cardio 7x week (fasted) all on about 7 hours of interrupted sleep (pissing every 3-4 hours) wont overtrain you is ignorant..........

 

[JKurz1]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Jenetic again.

 

[Jenetic]

I was under the impression that after a certain number of months your natural levels of androgens would recover even if you did bad PCT. Your hormonal balance can be permantly affected by improper or no PCT??

Your first impression is correct as long as the common factors influencing suppresion such as elevated estrogen and/or prolactin have been controlled during your cycle or the necessary measures have been used to reduce them to acceptable levels post cycle. Cortisol is a possible but less common factor.

Gradual testicular atrophy occurs naturally with age and is accelerated or induced when using AAS. This is the primary goal of recovery during the first few weeks of PCT. Permanently, is a harsh word but non the less a possibility for a few unfortunate people. This can easily be avoided by avoiding prolonged cycles, using the proper ancillaries during cycle, proper PCT and adequate time off. In a nutshell, smart cycling. Also, keep in mind that recovery is age dependant due to the natural aging process. HRT is the only solution later in life if a person is concerned with sustaining elevated levels of testosterone for health, cosmetic and performance purposes.

Jenetic