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Do you think we'll ever catch Osama Bin Laden?

Does it even matter at this point? He should have been caught years ago but attention has been diverted to more important matters :rolleyes:
 
Not until he wants us to. He'll go out a martyr for his people. F*cking psychos. The sad thing is to think that Bill Clinton knew where he was and could have taken him out, but for some odd reason did nothing about it. I wonder why Michael Moore didn't make a movie about Clinton having ties to Al Queda and interest in oil????
 
Makavelli said:
Not until he wants us to. He'll go out a martyr for his people. F*cking psychos. The sad thing is to think that Bill Clinton knew where he was and could have taken him out, but for some odd reason did nothing about it. I wonder why Michael Moore didn't make a movie about Clinton having ties to Al Queda and interest in oil????

You could say the exact same thing about Bush. They knew approximately where he was and had him cornered. However, they decided that WMD in Iraq were more important than apprehending a man that murdered thousands of Americans.
 
bluepeter said:
You could say the exact same thing about Bush. They knew approximately where he was and had him cornered. However, they decided that WMD in Iraq were more important than apprehending a man that murdered thousands of Americans.

Hey bro, don't want to start an arguement here, but knowing approximately where he is and having agents close enough to kill him as was the case with Clinton are two different things. We know approximately where he is now. But it doesn't do us any good. BTW bro, who is that broad in your avatar? She bangin'! Props for dat! :qt:
 
Makavelli said:
Hey bro, don't want to start an arguement here, but knowing approximately where he is and having agents close enough to kill him as was the case with Clinton are two different things. We know approximately where he is now. But it doesn't do us any good. BTW bro, who is that broad in your avatar? She bangin'! Props for dat! :qt:

Indian movie star named Bipasha Basu. There are some seriously hot Indian women out there :)

Wasn't trying to argue either :) , just saying that more emphasis should have been placed on catching Bin Laden rather than pursuing Saddam. The Bush mantra was 'the war on terror' and that was great until they took a U turn. 20000 troops in Afghanistan to catch the murderers of American civilians vs. 150000 troops in Iraq looking for WMD? Unacceptable IMO.

If you like the chick in the av, do a search for Bollywood actresses. There are a lot of smoking chicks in the Indian film industry.
 
OBLs presence allows rich people to grow richer from dealing with his threat.

What do you think?

Got a new book in my hands.....Osama's Revenge The Next 9/11


I figure I have a few years before humans start nuking each other. Man has never made a weapon that he didn't use.
 
Personally, I do not.
 
Testosterone boy said:
OBLs presence allows rich people to grow richer from dealing with his threat.

What do you think?

Got a new book in my hands.....Osama's Revenge The Next 9/11


I figure I have a few years before humans start nuking each other. Man has never made a weapon that he didn't use.
Glad we have the most nukes!
 
Testosterone boy said:
How many do you reckon you can handle?
It's kind of like sperm. I make enough sperm to impregnant every woman on this planet. Delivering it is the problem.

Having nukes is one thing. Getting them to their targets is the challenge.
 
Mr. Black said:
Indian women =Hairy=Yuck :sick:

lol, that may be true for the remote Indian village aunties you see on TV but that's nonsense bro. Do you think the lady in my av is 'yucky'? I've been with many Indian ladies (including my wife) and they are not any hairier than 'white' chicks and are very definitely not yuck.
 
bluepeter said:
lol, that may be true for the remote Indian village aunties you see on TV but that's nonsense bro. Do you think the lady in my av is 'yucky'? I've been with many Indian ladies (including my wife) and they are not any hairier than 'white' chicks and are very definitely not yuck.

Actually I used to hang out with alot of packies while attending uni and knew alot of women and although some were actually quite attractive, the majority had some nasty body hair going on (first hand experience). You lucked out on your wife...Congrats:)
 
Mr. Black said:
Actually I used to hang out with alot of packies while attending uni and knew alot of women and although some were actually quite attractive, the majority had some nasty body hair going on (first hand experience). You lucked out on your wife...Congrats:)

I'm not sure what you're referring to by packies but Indian and Pakistani are two different things. I have also screwed several hot Pakistani ladies by the way. You're missing out but all the more for me bro.
 
as time goes on the odds of him getting caught go up and up...

say there is a .01% chance of him getting caught each day (its probably really higher then that)... it wont take too many years before there is a 99% chance of him being caught.
 
I agree , that it’s somewhat irrelevant now. But I’ve heard he may be veep on the Hillary ticket in 08 ?

More importantly if you listened very closely on election night when it was called in favor of GWB there was a collective OH SHIT ! that could be heard from every cave in the Hindu Kush. I disagree with this administration on many issues including the ill timed invasion of Iraq. But I have no doubt Rummy and Cheney will kill every last mofo on this earth that would chop off the head of an American simply because they were an American. That is sad, that sucks, but ….. Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, raise the black flag, and start slitting throats. --H.L. Mencken
 
bluepeter said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to by packies but Indian and Pakistani are two different things. I have also screwed several hot Pakistani ladies by the way. You're missing out but all the more for me bro.


lol It's all good though I married me an Aussie:)
 
No. Because 1) Bush doesn't care and 2) We got more important matters, like those horrible iraqi people and what they're doing to oneselves.
 
Read carefully bros. No one can "catch" almost fully decomposed corpse in some cave in Afghanistan. His name can always be used as a fear factor. His tapes coming out and FBI authenticating them. Catch me drift. ;)
 
chyllaxyn said:
I agree , that it’s somewhat irrelevant now. But I’ve heard he may be veep on the Hillary ticket in 08 ?

More importantly if you listened very closely on election night when it was called in favor of GWB there was a collective OH SHIT ! that could be heard from every cave in the Hindu Kush. I disagree with this administration on many issues including the ill timed invasion of Iraq. But I have no doubt Rummy and Cheney will kill every last mofo on this earth that would chop off the head of an American simply because they were an American. That is sad, that sucks, but ….. Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, raise the black flag, and start slitting throats. --H.L. Mencken

Actually you misheard. It was a collective 'YES!' when he got re-elected. Nothing does more for Bin Laden and his cause than having George W. Bush in office and Osama is well aware of that. Crazy he is, dumb he is not.
 
bluepeter said:
Actually you misheard. It was a collective 'YES!' when he got re-elected. Nothing does more for Bin Laden and his cause than having George W. Bush in office and Osama is well aware of that. Crazy he is, dumb he is not.
Tis true...ye Bushbarians are the greatest recruiters imagineable for OBL and his ilk.

Bush and OBL can use each other to become the most powerful pair in the past few centuries. Yeehaw.
 
bluepeter said:
Actually you misheard. It was a collective 'YES!' when he got re-elected. Nothing does more for Bin Laden and his cause than having George W. Bush in office and Osama is well aware of that. Crazy he is, dumb he is not.
I’ve heard that argument. Based on the theory that every self proclaimed do-gooder needs an equally maniacal evil foil. That’s comic book logic.

Nick Berg would have been beheaded whether Clinton, Bush, or Kerry were in office. They don’t care.

Planes did not crash into the world trade center because Bush was in office in fact Clinton was in charge when that massacre was decided on. They just don’t care.

The only point I would agree with you on is that Bush in the white house gives Terrorist a little more sway with the “Arab street”. Point taken, I don’t care.
“Hearts and Minds” are nice words and worthy goals but the bottom line is;
Bush Kills Terrorist and has proven that he will take a tougher stand that Clinton did and Kerry would have.

While you and I may wish Islamic extremist could be reasoned with that remains to be seen. Now if you made the case we should not have went into Iraq I would have a hard time defending some of those decisions. If you made the argument this war is about oil I would likely loose some points. But to make these terrorist out to be logical reasonable people and that this is anything less than another Holy Crusade, .. well I’m willing to let you talk them into laying down their AKs first.
People fighting in the name of God are NOT reasonable people.



/no flame intended. This is a passionate subject matter and one thing I would not deny you is that I’m sure you are a sincere patriotic countryman. We just have differing view points that only the clarity of history will determine.


btw , she is HOT, no two ways about it I would be happy with a face full of fur
 
chyllaxyn said:
I’ve heard that argument. Based on the theory that every self proclaimed do-gooder needs an equally maniacal evil foil. That’s comic book logic.

Nick Berg would have been beheaded whether Clinton, Bush, or Kerry were in office. They don’t care.

Planes did not crash into the world trade center because Bush was in office in fact Clinton was in charge when that massacre was decided on. They just don’t care.

The only point I would agree with you on is that Bush in the white house gives Terrorist a little more sway with the “Arab street”. Point taken, I don’t care.
“Hearts and Minds” are nice words and worthy goals but the bottom line is;
Bush Kills Terrorist and has proven that he will take a tougher stand that Clinton did and Kerry would have.

While you and I may wish Islamic extremist could be reasoned with that remains to be seen. Now if you made the case we should not have went into Iraq I would have a hard time defending some of those decisions. If you made the argument this war is about oil I would likely loose some points. But to make these terrorist out to be logical reasonable people and that this is anything less than another Holy Crusade, .. well I’m willing to let you talk them into laying down their AKs first.
People fighting in the name of God are NOT reasonable people.



/no flame intended. This is a passionate subject matter and one thing I would not deny you is that I’m sure you are a sincere patriotic countryman. We just have differing view points that only the clarity of history will determine.


btw , she is HOT, no two ways about it I would be happy with a face full of fur

Won't argue anything you're saying. My only point is that this terrorist network did not see Bush being elected as a negative. The muslim world sees him as a modern day Crusader and that image has only been enhanced by the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's exactly what Bin Laden and his ilk want. They want to start a war between Christianity and Islam because they're nuts. They interpret the Quran as telling them to declare Jihad on unbelievers and those that would disparage Islam.

Having Bush in office and the invasion of Iraq is swelling their ranks, not thinning them. Most of these people don't care if they are killed, their interpretation of Islam tells them that it's a good thing if they are killed 'defending' Islam. As far as they are concerned, the more energy/money/troops the US commits against them, the better. It only rallies their cause.
 
I guess we do agree then , I can not argue that point even though i don’t agree 100% it is a very valid argument.

I guess we just disagree on the solution.
Trying to pacify or just kill them all.
I lean toward the later, just as those who fought in WW 1 & 2 and who fought in Vietnam even though they disagreed with the US policy.
I’ll deal with this,
so my children never have too.





/I know that’s messed up but you can’t deny it’s an option.
 
chyllaxyn said:
I guess we do agree then , I can not argue that point even though i don’t agree 100% it is a very valid argument.

I guess we just disagree on the solution.
Trying to pacify or just kill them all.
I lean toward the later, just as those who fought in WW 1 & 2 and who fought in Vietnam even though they disagreed with the US policy.
I’ll deal with this,
so my children never have too.





/I know that’s messed up but you can’t deny it’s an option.

I lean more towards leaving them alone. Whatever you think of Islam, it is still a minority that interpret it this way. The vast majority of the 1 billion muslims out there do not think like this. As for Iraq, there are too many good people there bro, you can't think like that.

Read TimmyT's comments on this thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366145&page=2

He's actually been there and has some positives to say.

Many Iraqis probably don't what to think. They've been oppressed by Saddam for years and now they've been invaded by 'the Great Satan' and have insurgents running all over the place blowing shit up. I don't feel hostile toward them at all.
 
bluepeter said:
Whatever you think of Islam

bluepeter said:
Many Iraqis probably don't what to think. They've been oppressed by Saddam for years and now they've been invaded by 'the Great Satan' and have insurgents running all over the place blowing shit up. I don't feel hostile toward them at all.


whoa , don't paint me with that brush.
Muslims are no more dangerous than a catholic priest (joke, joke, don’t flame me, point being Muslims are for the most part good, moral people but they too have their cross to bear, it’s called Wahhabism)

Islamic extremist are no more or less dangerous than the militant right in this country. But from where I stand the mutant warmongers here are not going to kill me because I’m American so I’m willing to overlook the Devil if he’s … ….well, push come to shove bro I’m betting we are standing side by side. I may just be there first, but I’ll keep your spot warm :-)


As far as the plight of Iraq, I couldn't agree more, we are Christian soldiers in their Holy Lands. Understood. What now? Do we leave and let the militant minority take over? Again, I have a tough time defending our timing and our tactics in Iraq. But what do we do? We broke it, now we have to be responsible for fixing it.





/I only wish our canidates for pres could have had honest and open debate like this , sound bites and CYA is all we heard from both sides.
 
Testosterone boy said:
Tis true...ye Bushbarians are the greatest recruiters imagineable for OBL and his ilk.

Bush and OBL can use each other to become the most powerful pair in the past few centuries. Yeehaw.

werd
 
chyllaxyn said:
whoa , don't paint me with that brush.
Muslims are no more dangerous than a catholic priest (joke, joke, don’t flame me, point being Muslims are for the most part good, moral people but they too have their cross to bear, it’s called Wahhabism)

Islamic extremist are no more or less dangerous than the militant right in this country. But from where I stand the mutant warmongers here are not going to kill me because I’m American so I’m willing to overlook the Devil if he’s … ….well, push come to shove bro I’m betting we are standing side by side. I may just be there first, but I’ll keep your spot warm :-)


As far as the plight of Iraq, I couldn't agree more, we are Christian soldiers in their Holy Lands. Understood. What now? Do we leave and let the militant minority take over? Again, I have a tough time defending our timing and our tactics in Iraq. But what do we do? We broke it, now we have to be responsible for fixing it.





/I only wish our canidates for pres could have had honest and open debate like this , sound bites and CYA is all we heard from both sides.

Sorry, not painting, just general comments :)

Definitely need to be responsible for fixing it. The cost of that will be astronomical in more ways than one.

btw, Wahabbism is a strain of fundamentalist Islam generally based in Saudi and is not widely practiced. I've read a few books from Islamic authors denouncing it in fact.
 
chyllaxyn said:
I’ve heard that argument. Based on the theory that every self proclaimed do-gooder needs an equally maniacal evil foil. That’s comic book logic.

Nick Berg would have been beheaded whether Clinton, Bush, or Kerry were in office. They don’t care.

Planes did not crash into the world trade center because Bush was in office in fact Clinton was in charge when that massacre was decided on. They just don’t care.

The only point I would agree with you on is that Bush in the white house gives Terrorist a little more sway with the “Arab street”. Point taken, I don’t care.
“Hearts and Minds” are nice words and worthy goals but the bottom line is;
Bush Kills Terrorist and has proven that he will take a tougher stand that Clinton did and Kerry would have.

While you and I may wish Islamic extremist could be reasoned with that remains to be seen. Now if you made the case we should not have went into Iraq I would have a hard time defending some of those decisions. If you made the argument this war is about oil I would likely loose some points. But to make these terrorist out to be logical reasonable people and that this is anything less than another Holy Crusade, .. well I’m willing to let you talk them into laying down their AKs first.
People fighting in the name of God are NOT reasonable people.



/no flame intended. This is a passionate subject matter and one thing I would not deny you is that I’m sure you are a sincere patriotic countryman. We just have differing view points that only the clarity of history will determine.


btw , she is HOT, no two ways about it I would be happy with a face full of fur

Great post brotha! Totally agree.
 
chyllaxyn said:
I’ve heard that argument. Based on the theory that every self proclaimed do-gooder needs an equally maniacal evil foil. That’s comic book logic.

Nick Berg would have been beheaded whether Clinton, Bush, or Kerry were in office. They don’t care.

Planes did not crash into the world trade center because Bush was in office in fact Clinton was in charge when that massacre was decided on. They just don’t care.

The only point I would agree with you on is that Bush in the white house gives Terrorist a little more sway with the “Arab street”. Point taken, I don’t care.
“Hearts and Minds” are nice words and worthy goals but the bottom line is;
Bush Kills Terrorist and has proven that he will take a tougher stand that Clinton did and Kerry would have.

While you and I may wish Islamic extremist could be reasoned with that remains to be seen. Now if you made the case we should not have went into Iraq I would have a hard time defending some of those decisions. If you made the argument this war is about oil I would likely loose some points. But to make these terrorist out to be logical reasonable people and that this is anything less than another Holy Crusade, .. well I’m willing to let you talk them into laying down their AKs first.
People fighting in the name of God are NOT reasonable people.



/no flame intended. This is a passionate subject matter and one thing I would not deny you is that I’m sure you are a sincere patriotic countryman. We just have differing view points that only the clarity of history will determine.


btw , she is HOT, no two ways about it I would be happy with a face full of fur

Is peace on the playground achieved by bullies who beat people up?
 
bluepeter said:
Sorry, not painting, just general comments :)
no worries

bluepeter said:
Definitely need to be responsible for fixing it. The cost of that will be astronomical in more ways than one.
true that ! and not one American Soldier’s life is worth this mess. But now that we are here, we all must be willing to throw down.

bluepeter said:
btw, Wahabbism is a strain of fundamentalist Islam generally based in Saudi and is not widely practiced. I've read a few books from Islamic authors denouncing it in fact.
True that By far most Muslims are good people.


Testosterone boy said:
Tis true...ye Bushbarians are the greatest recruiters imagineable for OBL and his ilk.

Not sure if that was directed my way, I guess if the shoe fits I'll have to wear it but i'm not saying it doesn't pinch and rub blisters really bad sometimes. I feel like my choice was dumb or dumber.


Testosterone boy said:
Bush and OBL can use each other to become the most powerful pair in the past few centuries. Yeehaw.
No offense but as I said before this is a comic book theory with no historial fact.
But OK , I’ll play along, Good vs Evil, Right vs Wrong , yin and yang, black and white, for every force there is an equal and opposite, , yada, yada, yada…we all know better than that right?
One does not beget the other, Bush did not make Osama, they may propagandize each other to justify their own means but to think one would not exist without the other is a bit naïve and cartoonish don’t you think?

The bottom line is this.
If someone is out there telling people to kill my kid because he is an American.
I have no problem shooting first, hell I’d spray the room without hesitation.
Locked Loaded Empty Clear -Repeat

Crappy thought I agree, but would al-Zarqawi not do the same to me?
 
You and I are logical reasonable people proof in part is that we can have a debate on such visceral subject matter and remain civil.
Please don’t make the mistake of projecting that level of humanity on the rest of the world.
 
Testosterone boy said:
Flying the airplanes was demonic, it killed a few hundred.

Planting the explosives was satanic, it killed a few thousand.


sorry i missed something ?

American Flight 11
87
United Flight 175
60
American Flight 77
59
United Flight 93
40
Pentagon (on the ground)
125
WTC (on the ground) *
2,602

Total Sept 11 deaths:
2,973

* Source: New York City medical examiner's office, as of 01-23-2004


Pearl Harbor = 2,403 ,

Sept 11. 2001 was the single greastest loss of life in a single attack.

Always Remember.
Never Forget.
 
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