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silver_shadow
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i hear that strongman training can be so brutal that there is usually muscle soreness. maybe b fold could provide some useful input on this.
blut wump
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I've not noticed any extending of that delay during this time of my impending dotage. I do remember that two days after the workout used to be the time when the muscles would get extra sore and then it felt like it was all recovery after that.
When I'm working everything multiple times per week depsite and not pushing myself to repeated failure every workout I don't get that soreness at all. The muscles do still get tired but there's none of that deep don't flex me or you'll die soreness.
When I'm working everything multiple times per week depsite and not pushing myself to repeated failure every workout I don't get that soreness at all. The muscles do still get tired but there's none of that deep don't flex me or you'll die soreness.
silver_shadow said:
It really depends. I'm normally always a little sore somewhere. Here is the outline of my training right now:
Sunday:
Goodmorning, Squat, or Deadlift variation
Log Press
Lower Event
Axle Clean and Press or Crucifix Hold
Lower Event
Lower Event
Front Squats
Tuesday:
2 3/8" Axle Press from Racks (push, jerk, or strict)
Incline Log Press
Close Grip Flat Bench Press
1 set Chins
1 set Curls
Front Squats with bands
abs
Wednesday:
Box Squats with bands
Deadlifts
Goodmorning variation
1-2 light events optional
Friday:
Front Squats up to mid-upper 3's
Close Grip Bench for higher reps and recovery
Giant sets of lat pulldowns, face pulls, machine preacher curls
Abs
I also do calves a time or two a week, standing. I've even been known to run some 400m sprints a time or two a week.
silver_shadow
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good stuff... it's always a pleasure reading your posts.b fold the truth said:
djeclipse
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blut wump said:
+1
When I was training each body part once per week that bodypart was sore for a few days. Now that I have switched to the madcow 5x5 training the full body 3x per week the soreness is almost gone.
I still feel it a little the next day, like I know I've worked something, but it's no where near the "don't flex me, can't move" soreness I used to get when doing the old once per week thing.
silver_shadow
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the old 1x a week sucks big time when it comes to soreness.
anotherbutters
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BW is right. When I did a 5 day split, I used to be able to tell what day of the week it was by which bodypart hurt the most. Now that I've increasing the frequency of each exercise, I no longer get sore and I can never tell what day it is.
BiggT
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Training movements multiple times a week cuts down soreness because, as was said, you condition your body to the stimulus. When you do this, you can recover faster, train more often, and progress faster.
Excessive soreness is not a sign of progress, it is a sign that you're deconditioned to the activity that you did. If you've been squatting consistently for a month, and it hurts too much to sit down and take a shit 3 days after your workout, then you're not conditioned to squat.
The first time or the first time in a long time that somebody doesstones for strongman, their forearms are all hacked up, but after conditioning themselves, they are much less traumatic. Like building calluses deadlifting. You should be conditioned to the thing, it is the only way to get better, being utterly demolished means you need to get in-shape to do what you're doing.
Lifting weights is funny. Look at any other sport. Take running for example. You want to run a marathon, 26.2 miles. To train for this you run. You have endurance days, speed days, interval days, hill days, and whatnot, but you're training your running and building to a peak condition on race day. You don't run for 2 weeks, bike for 2 weeks, use the lliptical for 2 weeks, swim for 2 weeks, hike for 2 weeks, rock climb for 2 weeks, etc......all you do it get sore and tired because you're not conditioned for the activity, then before you get good at it, you do something new, all the while you suck at everything because you never pput the time in and followed through with a plan to get good at it. Then on race day you are lucky if you can finish half of it. This is what is wrong with 'mixing things up' and 'shocking the muscles'. All that soreness means is that you're not in shape to be doing what you did.
Of course after a marathon, or a strongman contest you'll be beat up and sore from the full 100% exertion, but if a squat workout during training leaves you absolutely crippled for the better part of a week, then something is really wrong.
Another example, take a world-class shotputter with a 500lb clean, 500lb bench, and 700lb squat. In the middle of their training, put them through some type of circuit training, of course they will get sore and winded and tired, because it is not what they are training for. Does it mean the circuit training is more beneficial to them? HELL NO.....it means following a plan and getting good at things designed to help you meet your goals is how you make progress, 'switching things up' is a ridiculous bodybuilding, voo doo myth that I wish would just go away.
Excessive soreness is not a sign of progress, it is a sign that you're deconditioned to the activity that you did. If you've been squatting consistently for a month, and it hurts too much to sit down and take a shit 3 days after your workout, then you're not conditioned to squat.
The first time or the first time in a long time that somebody doesstones for strongman, their forearms are all hacked up, but after conditioning themselves, they are much less traumatic. Like building calluses deadlifting. You should be conditioned to the thing, it is the only way to get better, being utterly demolished means you need to get in-shape to do what you're doing.
Lifting weights is funny. Look at any other sport. Take running for example. You want to run a marathon, 26.2 miles. To train for this you run. You have endurance days, speed days, interval days, hill days, and whatnot, but you're training your running and building to a peak condition on race day. You don't run for 2 weeks, bike for 2 weeks, use the lliptical for 2 weeks, swim for 2 weeks, hike for 2 weeks, rock climb for 2 weeks, etc......all you do it get sore and tired because you're not conditioned for the activity, then before you get good at it, you do something new, all the while you suck at everything because you never pput the time in and followed through with a plan to get good at it. Then on race day you are lucky if you can finish half of it. This is what is wrong with 'mixing things up' and 'shocking the muscles'. All that soreness means is that you're not in shape to be doing what you did.
Of course after a marathon, or a strongman contest you'll be beat up and sore from the full 100% exertion, but if a squat workout during training leaves you absolutely crippled for the better part of a week, then something is really wrong.
Another example, take a world-class shotputter with a 500lb clean, 500lb bench, and 700lb squat. In the middle of their training, put them through some type of circuit training, of course they will get sore and winded and tired, because it is not what they are training for. Does it mean the circuit training is more beneficial to them? HELL NO.....it means following a plan and getting good at things designed to help you meet your goals is how you make progress, 'switching things up' is a ridiculous bodybuilding, voo doo myth that I wish would just go away.
Protobuilder
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But how else will I confuse my muscles???
Protobuilder said:
My muscles aren't confused. I even give them a choice...grow or I'll train you harder.
I train for strength, speed, power, agility, etc...and I even look fairly decent. I'm nothing like a bodybuilder or anything but I'm ok.
Protobuilder
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ROFL!!!!!!!
Well, that, and calculus. My muscles get pretty confused after a rest-pause set of calculus. [mods -- Is the brain a muscle?]
Well, that, and calculus. My muscles get pretty confused after a rest-pause set of calculus. [mods -- Is the brain a muscle?]
anotherbutters
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For most people, a few sets of deep squats will be an adequate shock to the systemProtobuilder said:
Been sick off and on for a month.
Started antibiotics over the weekend to try and "kick" this stuff. "Trained" on Sunday...EXTREMELY sore and heavy legged.
Started antibiotics over the weekend to try and "kick" this stuff. "Trained" on Sunday...EXTREMELY sore and heavy legged.
letsrun4it
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I'm sore every day on whatever I worked the day before, except for biceps they dont get sore- which is probably why they stay small.
djeclipse said:
just wondering, it definately is sore because its not conditioned, but isnt that what pushing the limit does? pushes you PAST the point where you are conditioned for stimulation muscle growth?
not saying anyone is right or wrong, im just stuck at a point where im not too sure if being sore is a good thing anymore lol
silver_shadow
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you can be used to the workload (=frequency and volume) (that is, not sore) and still grow because you don't HAVE to feel sore when microtrauma in the muscle has occurred. microtrauma within the muscle cells caused by lifting heavy (relative to your ability) is what will trigger growth.mm107 said:
djeclipse
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silver_shadow said:
Basically what he said... lol
In my experience I used to train one bodypart per week, do a shit load of crap for chest, bies, shoulders, abck etc. And I was sore for at least 2 days after doing each bodypart. And like most people I thought it was a good thing.
Then I tried the single factor 5x5 (where you train a lot more frequently and area lways pushing your max lifts), I am not sore anymore and still ahve made some nice gains in strength and size.
My own personal conclusion is that being sore like that every day really sucks ass and is a poor indication of how good your workouts are.
MASTERDUTCH
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For me it depends on how hard I work and the interval of time in between - I just switched from a 5x5 to a 4x6 so I am not sure if that will make a difference.
duke of angels
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blut wump said:
ah that was good
duke of angels
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I'm sore everytime I do squats (ofcourse it could be deads now)... Every other part I usually have to massage the muscle in order to tell if it was worked or it just feels a little "tight." Biceps and and tri's feel the least soreness. I'll be happy if I ever don't get dead sore from squats and make consistent gains still. Interesting I can't remember ever reading anything about muscle soreness in a serious article or book... anyone got something?
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