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Do you ever miss the Dbol pump?

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So do you guys ever miss the Dbol pump when you stop taking it. I am on my 5th wk of a test e/dbol cycle and just finished taking my dbol. I am still taking my test at 500mgs/wk but I am not sure it has fully kicked in yet. I dont have the same pump in my biceps and such that I had when I was taking dbol before my workouts. Will this come back, what should I expect from the test in comparisson to the dbol? I was only taking 25mgs of dbol too.
 
i'm not really a fan of dbol. i was taking 40mg's every day and all that really happened was my face swelled up like a balloon and i looked bloated as fuk. the pumps were cool i'll admit, but not enough to make me do it again.
 
Switch over to provirone 50mg ed for the rest of the cycle. Drops the bloat,lowers shbg and add more gains. You can get a pretty good pump from it and its has little to no effect on the liver.
 
Ozzie, when did the test kick in for you? I loved the pump on the dbol, it was awesome. When I work out my biceps it's not the same. I am hoping the difference will come soon. How are the gains different? My gains in strength and muscle on the dbol was very good and I don't think I had much bloat at all. Going into week five I am up 15-17lbs. I have also reduced my waist size and dropped my bf%
 
Ozzie, when did the test kick in for you? I loved the pump on the dbol, it was awesome. When I work out my biceps it's not the same. I am hoping the difference will come soon. How are the gains different? My gains in strength and muscle on the dbol was very good and I don't think I had much bloat at all. Going into week five I am up 15-17lbs. I have also reduced my waist size and dropped my bf%

Your bf% should keep going down. You should now start to drop a lot of water what which will leave you feeling tighter. The test kicks in around week 4-5 and some time 6 for most people. Right now I would up your good cals of protein and if you cant throw in provirone get a good pump type product to take the place of the dbol pumps.
 
So do you guys ever miss the Dbol pump when you stop taking it. I am on my 5th wk of a test e/dbol cycle and just finished taking my dbol. I am still taking my test at 500mgs/wk but I am not sure it has fully kicked in yet. I dont have the same pump in my biceps and such that I had when I was taking dbol before my workouts. Will this come back, what should I expect from the test in comparisson to the dbol? I was only taking 25mgs of dbol too.

DBOL does give you a nice pump.
 
I am not familiar with provirone. Can anyone tell me a bit more about it?

Proviron is an interesting and often overlooked compound. It’s an orally active form of DHT and delivers all the good and the bad that DHT has to offer. DHT is pure androgen, but unlike testosterone, it doesn’t cause any water retention. DHT is also what makes muscle “hard.” It lowers SHBG (Sex hormone Binding Globulin) thus preventing estrogen to form and can be used to prevent aromatization from other compounds. DHT is also what attributes to erectile rigidity. All good stuff! There are drawbacks however, most notably prostate hypertrophy and hair loss. So one may say DHT is pure maleness.

In the past, DHT was regarded as the “bad” form of testosterone and there have been many products available to reduce it. Proscar slows hair loss by reducing DHT, but it also lowers the desirable aspect that DHT brings. One of the side effects of Proscar is possible impotence. Pick your poison.

So we know DHT can be tricky and we know we need it. So where does Proviron fall into the equation? Well, it can be a nice addition to any cycle for a variety of reasons. Since it lowers SHBG it allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable. Up to 90% of testosterone, be it natural or administered, remains in a “bound” state (due to SHBG) rendering it useless. Proviron will release more active testosterone into the bloodstream so you can reap more of the benefits.

Proviron works as well as an anti estrogen, in fact, it’s superior to most traditional anti e’s such as Nolvadex because there is no rebound effect. Instead of removing estrogen, it never has a chance to form in the first place.

Proviron is also excellent for contest preparation because it adds density and definition. Realize, androgen receptors are found in fat calls as well as muscle cells and DHT binds so well that there’s a distinct fat burning effect from its use.

Many people use Proviron in between cycles to maintain gains and libido. However, DHT will not do much in regard to maintaining muscle. And as with any drug, a tolerance is developed over time so using Proviron to help a lagging libido will just add to further inhibition once the use of the drug has ceased. There’s some speculation that Proviron isn’t suppressive or especially liver toxic so it does not have to be cycle, but that rational is patently false. Because it isn’t 17 alpha alkylated it isn’t as hard on the liver or the liver as other oral steroids but liver must still filter it. Pure DHT also does not shut down the HPTA as quickly as other androgens though it will still suppress over time. Using it to “ease out” of a cycle can make for a smooth transition back to a natural state.

The main downside of Proviron is that since it contains no anabolic properties, it will not result in much muscle growth if used alone. It truly is a “kicker” to other steroids, most notably testosterone. And although it doesn’t cause water retention, it can increase blood pressure. DHT can also increase irritability if duration exceeds more than a few weeks.
Dosage:

50 mgs a day can lower estrogen into single digits and produce a very polished look to one’s muscles. There have recently been advances in natural alternatives to Proviron. Avenacosides have been shown to lower SHBG and raise Free testosterone by as much as 20%. Since Proviron is used mostly as an ancillary substance and does not have much of an effect of actual growth, more and more people are opting to go the natural route. Although Avenacosides won’t work quite as well, they are effective and can be used in conjunction with a lower dose of Proviron for an even more powerful muscle hardening/libido enhancing effect. (When choosing Avenacosides always make sure the dosage is listed. If it’s in a “proprietary blend” chances are there is so little it’s worthless. One product that includes an effective dosage is Protein Factory’s UNLEASHED).
Availability:

Until recently Proviron was not readily available and the only form was the original Shering brand. Now with more and more UG labs, it’s become counterfeited though the quality and dosages must always be suspect. Since Proviron isn’t terribly expensive it’s best to try and find the original pharm grade substance since it’s rarely counterfeited. If you can’t get your hands on Proviron than a natural substitute is strongly recommend during, and after each cycle.

DrugsProfiles.com | Proviron
 
I would like to add winny or anavar at the end of this cycle to cut me up a bit. Thinking of around50mgs ed. Was also thinking of extending the test to 12 or 14 wks. Does anyone have experience with trying this? Also has anyone added unleashed or seen the benefits on cycle from using it?
 
I would like to add winny or anavar at the end of this cycle to cut me up a bit. Thinking of around50mgs ed. Was also thinking of extending the test to 12 or 14 wks. Does anyone have experience with trying this? Also has anyone added unleashed or seen the benefits on cycle from using it?

My friend. I been doing this for years I got more post then almost all the members of this site combined. When i give advice its for a reason.

Yes winny or even var would look nice on paper but take a better look. Dbol=liver toxic=cholesterol threw the roof as well as raised blood pressure. Ah winny is by far the worst drug ever on your lipids and cholesterol. Var is a little lighter on the liver but still kicks some cholesterol butt. Provirone=no effects on the liver and very little on lipid.

You do not want to go from dbols to winny my friend. I mean you can but its not the best overall choice. Provirone binds to the receptors in fat at a higher affinity then any other compound. It lowers both estrogen and progesterone as well as shbg. Its the far better choice in this case.

Anyway good bro. Thats just my advice. Hundred of others waiting to tell you what you want to hear though. :heart:
 
IGF1 lr3 1hr preworkout into the muscle being worked will give you a better pump than dbol, now if you combine the two you will get an even better one, so strong you will have to cut the workout short
 
Needto wasn't trying to offend at all. I just wanted to see if anyone had used unleashed during their test cycle. What are your thoughts on extending the test out to 14 weeks?
 
i'm not really a fan of dbol. i was taking 40mg's every day and all that really happened was my face swelled up like a balloon and i looked bloated as fuk. the pumps were cool i'll admit, but not enough to make me do it again.

I miss the pumps but balloon face combined with liver toxicity... Nope. I'm all about injectables.
 
Needto is like E.F.Hutton....when he speaks we listen....lol....speaking of which what are some of the natural things i can take to lower the shbg during a test only cycle?
 
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Needto wasn't trying to offend at all. I just wanted to see if anyone had used unleashed during their test cycle. What are your thoughts on extending the test out to 14 weeks?

Unleashed is great on cycle for this. Hcgenerate is even stronger still. I like a hcgenerate on cycle then unleashed/postcycle/sustain alpha pct. :heart:
 
Switch over to provirone 50mg ed for the rest of the cycle. Drops the bloat,lowers shbg and add more gains. You can get a pretty good pump from it and its has little to no effect on the liver.

...ahem?
 
I took Dbol (blue Thai's - 10mg's) my last cycle for the first few weeks and had a bad reaction to it.
I felt ok in the gym but my mood and blood pressure went to crap.
My BP was definately raised much higher than normal so I made the choice to discontinue its use.
I also had a really bad breakout on my shoulders, back, and upper arms I think was caused by the Dbol.
With that said, I wont useDbol anymore, just not worth it for me personally.
 
I guess for each their own. I miss it!

True, everyone reacts differently since our body makeups arent exact.
My frind can pop Dbol like candy and has no sides.
I wish I could but that isnt the case.
That same friend cant take Adex, turns him into a miserable grouch; I can take Adex all day no problem.
 
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