Do thermogenics affect libido?

[snagglepuss]

After taking NYC for about a week, I am having difficulty getting erections. Has anyone else experienced similar side effects from NYC? Are there other thermogenics which don't cause this problem?

thanks.

 

[macDbol]

yes, reagular eca too,,,,,i doubt your find an effective subsitute for nyc or eca,,clen does the same shit too

 

[snagglepuss]

thanks for the info. that's what I was afraid of. some people say that side effects like anxiety and sleeplessness abate after a few weeks. I wonder whether this will go away then, too?

 

[B-legit]

eca cuts my libido in half.

 

[Victor]

my libido stays almost the same while on ECA ....probably cause my body adjusted to this shit , cause I take it too much


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

thats odd, NYC is usually much "gentler" on libido..

add some vitex..

 

[KAYNE]

HELL YES THEY DO. I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. EVEN A SPEED STACK CAN AFFECT YOU. ANY AMPHETAMINE (I.E...ADDERALL) WILL ALSO AFFECT YOU.


KAYNE

 

[cell1122]

stacker 2 definatley affected me like that. couldnt get aroused but once you adjust to it , its all good

 

[KAYNE]

MY SHIT WOULD JUST QUIT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING SOMETIMES. WOULDNT GET AS HARD EITHER.


KAYNE

 

[drrman]

i get hard and erect, i just can't nut when on any form of speed or amphetamine

 

[lpw]

I must be very sensitive, because I am using NYC and although it is supposed to be milder, I feel all of the sides. I guess there is no point in switching to something else, so I will stick with what I've got. I hope that after a few weeks my body will adjust like Victor.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

i get hard and erect, i just can't nut when on any form of speed or amphetamine

Same here.

 

[Golfer18--old]

ECA's work well, but they do a number on libido.....

 

[nhbgorilla]

doesnt vitex sometimes mess up libido macro? is it person to person or do u believe vitex does something specific to the eca/nyc caused problems?

 

[TxLonghorn]

It's the ephedrine. It also affects the prostate. One of the symptoms it is doing that is if you have a pain around your prostate when you pee.

 

[superchicken]

both eca and nyc affect me pretty badly. even on 1g test wk.

my best friend sais it increases his drive though, but hes a strange one i might ad....

 

[Riker29]

I belive that Ephedrine (and I THINK nor-ephedrine found in NYC) are what are called "vaso-constrictors".

This means they make blood vessels tighten up and get smaller. This effect is most pronounced on the smallest blood vessaels..... so one of the side eeffects of ephedrine which is quite widely reported is difficulty getting firm erections, and maintaining them.

I THOUGHT that Nor-ephedrine (in NYC) did not have this efefct or had it much less, but I am not sure of that.

I dont know how Vitex would help .... thats an interesting suggestion.

The issues I speak of above would effect erections, not necessarily libido, that must be effcted by some other mechanism.

 

[nhbgorilla]

yeah i would think the real question is "erection problems" not "libido problems' . macro??? whats your vitex "theory"??? kick knowledge lol

 

[nhbgorilla]

macro-how much vitex?? and isnt it possible that vitex has a negative effect on some people???

 

[Delinquent]

my libido stays almost the same while on ECA ....probably cause my body adjusted to this shit , cause I take it too much


Victor

Same here

 

[nhbgorilla]

macro-how much vitex?? and isnt it possible that vitex has a negative effect on some people???

bump for some info

 

[nhbgorilla]

bump for if vitex helps for some nyc specific reason??etc?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no specific reason (though still looking for one ) just anecdotal reports..

 

[SOLID]

it definately effects me- same way coke does. wish I could train with the same intensity that I do while on it - without taking it- but it helps so much. Does clen effect the same way?

 

[Silverback316]

ECA's shrink my penis like no other and I absolutley hate taking them during a cutting cylce. They work so good for me though that I am to stubborn to quit taking them.

 

[Riker29]

no specific reason (though still looking for one ) just anecdotal reports..

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Actually this thread got me to thinking ........ and over the past week or so I have been looking into this.

ECA, and even NYC, may effect libido and erections to some extent.

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As I said before, they both constrict blood vessels which make erections more difficult to achieve and to maintain. In fact NOR-Eph (the N in NYC) may be worse in this area.

With men especially, if our equipment is not working, that will effect ouir libido (if you don't think you can perfrom as well, you lose interest, etc).



However I also have recently seen that Ephedrine can effect Seratonin levels.

Sure, some low level of Eph and/or Nor-Eph will boost anything, you feel better. But TOO much and it LOWERS seratonin levels.

If your seratonin is too low, then you lose your sex drive. You also can get depressed, and have other problems.



Also ....... I think that many guys overtrain. I am learning this more and more. If you take Eph or NOR-Eph, they allow you to train harder, maybe get a workout in when you would otherwise be too tired, ....... and these can lead to overtraining. And THAT WILL DEFINATELY wipe out your sex drive.



So we have 3 mechanisms by which Eph and NOR-Eph may effect libido:

1) They effect the ability to achieve and maintain an erectuion, which will indirectly effect many men's libido.

2) They can, and will, especially with chronic use, lower seratonin levels causing various depressive effects including, but not limited to, a lowering of libido,

3) They make it easier for people to overtrain, which taxes the body overall, which can effect libido (and also cause depression, etc).



Some guys never see a problem with these at all.

And in some respects, the effects are short-lived. They wear off soon after yo take them, so the next day you are fine.

But, constrict blood vessels for TOO long, and then they dont bounce back "the nexy day" after you stop. Also, depress seratonin for too long, and you will NOT bounce back the next day.

Guys I have dome a LOT of work looking into this. I think that in many ways, a lot of the problems that guys complain about on this board (ever notice how many guys on this board complain about depression and anxiety ....LOW SERATONIN WILL DO THAT) are coming from these reasons.

 

[SOLID]

ECA's shrink my penis like no other and I absolutley hate taking them during a cutting cylce. They work so good for me though that I am to stubborn to quit taking them.

haha me too- thats the only draw back while partying on coke- baby dick!