Do different races grow muscle faster?

[muscelove]

It seems to me that black guys usually have better genetics than white guys. Yes we have Cutler and Gunter but the rest of the guys in the olympia are black. Am I missing something? Could it just be that more black guys workout than white guys?
Also do you believe that any race is not able to pack on size?

 

[musketeer]

I've noticed this too.

Black guys (people of Arfo decent) tend to have noticably better genetics than white (European) people. I believe that this is from natural selection: until about 100 years ago, in order to live long enough to procreate, Africans would have to be quite physically capable, weaker genetics (in terms of physical strength and size) would generally not survive.

Whereas in Europe, with the "advent" of the feudal system and much more structured society existing for a few hundred generations, the need to be physically strong is not as important. People with other qualities were able to do things which allowed them to florish and find a mate. Wealth and medical science (however basic) allowed small, weak, fat, people to procreate and therefore, white Europeans are much less likely to be of equal genetics to their African cousins.

As an asside, although African skin seems to be a bit thicker, dark skin looks better for showing definition. This is evidenced by the fact that everyone tans as dark as possible before a show.

(but dont forget Rhul, Priest, or the fact that Dorian dominated in a very competative era!)

 

[b fold the truth]

My wife is Greek Cypriot and there are A LOT of people here who are "muscular" for the non-lifter. Both she and her brother look at the gym and gain 5 pounds of muscle.

I"ve met lots of Eastern Bloc Europeans who don't eat quality foods, don't use supplements and who cannot afford the AAS that most Americans can...yet they are big, thick, and VERY strong. They have also been lifting since they were kids since strength specific sports are VERY important to them.

B True

 

[blut wump]

Whites seem to dominate in strength events. Mark Henry is the only black I can bring to mind in recent 'World's Strongest Man" and a powerlifting championship I recently saw on TV had no black guys.

 

[Bozwell]

Whites seem to dominate in strength events. Mark Henry is the only black I can bring to mind in recent 'World's Strongest Man" and a powerlifting championship I recently saw on TV had no black guys.

you read my mind, I was just going to say that
seems odd giving the size some black men grow to.

 

[mekannik]

Are we going to start the old "mucsle size to strength ratio" discussion again? If so I am switching over to the bodybuilder side.


Ronnie Coleman is the strongest guy in the world!!! He is the bestest.

 

[b fold the truth]

Watch a NFL football game. Most of the players would be black and they are large and very very strong and fast. Maybe this is why you don't see a lot of black Americans in strength competitions. They are making LOTS more money playing in the NFL.

B True

 

[RDJ]

Ronnie Coleman is the strongest guy in the world!!!

I sure hope you're kidding.

 

[blut wump]

I don't know the names of the positions but the offensive front-line man who passes the ball to the QB is typically white. The big defenders are usually black. RBs are usually black. Most teams are mostly black guys. I think the typical tight-end is white.

 

[musketeer]

So why is the South african rugby team mainly white?

 

[wooldog]

I don't know the names of the positions but the offensive front-line man who passes the ball to the QB is typically white. The big defenders are usually black. RBs are usually black. Most teams are mostly black guys. I think the typical tight-end is white.

The offensive lineman (tackles, center, guards) are usually white because that's the one position on the field that requires the LEAST agility.

If you have a tall, big, strong, fast, agile lineman type player, you put him on the defensive line. Most defensive lineman are black (think Warren Sap).

If you have a big and strong guy who's not so fast and agile, you put him on the offensive line. About half the offensive lineman are white.

Most blacks don't want to play on the offensive line because there's no glory and people assume that you're really unathletic.

 

[mayhems]

its pretty simple, blacks canjump higher and can run faster

look at the olympics.. i dont remember a white guy winning a race or having a record.

As for jumping its usually blacks winning slam dunks comps.. so i guess they have much stronger legs and are usually(or often for lack of a better term) more lean but whites are usually stronger and larger.

 

[AlwaysOn]

It seems to me that black guys usually have better genetics than white guys. Yes we have Cutler and Gunter but the rest of the guys in the olympia are black. Am I missing something? Could it just be that more black guys workout than white guys?
Also do you believe that any race is not able to pack on size?

cutler and gunter don't have good genetics.

They are CONFIRMED to both use GH and slin. Check out Jay's video, where he accidently shows his insulin stash!!

 

[AlwaysOn]

Whites seem to dominate in strength events. Mark Henry is the only black I can bring to mind in recent 'World's Strongest Man" and a powerlifting championship I recently saw on TV had no black guys.

lol, that doesn't mean jack shit!!!

Black people don't WANT to do strength events or powerlifitng!!!


Plus those white dudes use a ton of steroids, especially anadrol

 

[Jim Ouini]

No love for the Asian guys?

 

[gjohnson5]

So why is the South african rugby team mainly white?

Even though apartied was abolished I think there is still racial unrest in that country

 

[AlwaysOn]

So why is the South african rugby team mainly white?

lol, y do you think?

its SOUTH AFRICA....haven't you heard of apartheid

 

[Edmund]

people of Arfo decent???

 

[rnch]

the historic old house in nawlinz that i was restoring before that bitch katrina roared thru is in a salt and pepper (more pepper, really) area of town. the pumped and and cut guys hanging around with their shorts off pisses me off.....surely they haven't put in all the gym time and carefull dieting that i have done....and they still look a lot better than i ever will.......with little effort at doing so....AARRGGHHHHH!




i am truly a victim of the "pale male" syndrome.

 

[musketeer]

lol, y do you think?

its SOUTH AFRICA....haven't you heard of apartheid

Of course I'm aware of international politics, I was being facetious.

Sorry the humor was lost - it's not really a joking matter...

 

[NorgePrecision]

When the slave traders brought slaves over, they only picked the biggest and most healthy. Of those, only the strong survived the journey over. This is why you see so many big strong Blacks. They are the best of the best from Africa hundreds of years ago. I know some African people who have migrated here in the past 50 years and they aren't even close to the same size as most of the African-Americans of slave descent.

 

[musketeer]

When the slave traders brought slaves over, they only picked the biggest and most healthy. Of those, only the strong survived the journey over. This is why you see so many big strong Blacks. They are the best of the best from Africa hundreds of years ago. I know some African people who have migrated here in the past 50 years and they aren't even close to the same size as most of the African-Americans of slave descent.

And as shameful as it is, the farmers then tried to selectively 'breed' even stronger (and les inteligent) slaves. Saying that, I live in Peckham now, where there are plenty of first generation Africans, everywhere I look there are huge, thick (as in muscular) guys. At 220 I feel undersized.

 

[coolcolj]

actually it's the islanders like the Maori, Samoans etc that are naturally the biggest and strongest - definitely the most meso heavy race ever

still I don't think can you type cast any race, every person is an individual. A lot of times people excel at certain things, because of environment and upbringing, and not by choice.

 

[d-dub]

100 metre race seems to grow more muscle than the long distance races.



ohh, wrong race.

carry on.

 

[araiber]

100 metre race seems to grow more muscle than the long distance races.



ohh, wrong race.

carry on.

Best answer as of yet.
I doubt that the race has any effect, other than the ancestral histories of those specific families directly. I also thought that african americans had an easier to get more cut..

 

[suckamc44]

actually it's the islanders like the Maori, Samoans etc that are naturally the biggest and strongest - definitely the most meso heavy race ever

still I don't think can you type cast any race, every person is an individual. A lot of times people excel at certain things, because of environment and upbringing, and not by choice.

Yeah, this statistic is pretty impressive,

"There are approximately 500,000 Samoans in the world, only half of whom come in contact with American football. Yet more than 200 play Division I college ball."

 

[rnch]

re post 19: SHIRTS, not shorts.

a typo

 

[AlwaysOn]

When the slave traders brought slaves over, they only picked the biggest and most healthy. Of those, only the strong survived the journey over. This is why you see so many big strong Blacks. They are the best of the best from Africa hundreds of years ago. I know some African people who have migrated here in the past 50 years and they aren't even close to the same size as most of the African-Americans of slave descent.

this theory is bullshit in so many ways.

Africans FROM AFRICA are larger and stronger naturally.

It has nothing to do with selective breeding or whatever.


slavery didn't last long enough for meaningful genetic change to occur.

 

[mekannik]

this theory is bullshit in so many ways.

Africans FROM AFRICA are larger and stronger naturally.

It has nothing to do with selective breeding or whatever.


slavery didn't last long enough for meaningful genetic change to occur.

I guess it was their choice of footwear?

And the long distance runners from Kenya can clean & jerk #400? Do not think so.


To some extent selective breeding has an effect - look at Norwegians, Swedes (or any World's Strongest Man competition). My buddies played football against Hawaii. Time and time again they said the sheer size of the Samoan lineman is what wore them down. Pretty sure that "selective" breeding (i.e. no other options than Samoan poontang) inside their race has led to the development of certain genes and traits.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I think geographical location has a lot to do with it as well. Look at all the skinny African distance runners. They're black but they sure as hell don't have bulky muscles and strength but they can run all day. Pale white folks from Eastern Europe dominate a lot of strength sports. You can't forget the influence of culture as well. Depending on what part of the world you're in you will be exposed to different sports.

 

[ScottK345]

Another thing about black guys that I noticed is that they seem to have good genetics in every muscle, like there are a few muscles I have a hard time building but every black guy I've seen at the gym are perfectly proportioned. I also noticed that asians can get ripped to hell, if they actually lift. Most asian you see are skinney as hell but there are 3 at the gym I go to that are just crazy ripped like bruce lee.

 

[AlwaysOn]

I guess it was their choice of footwear?

And the long distance runners from Kenya can clean & jerk #400? Do not think so.


To some extent selective breeding has an effect - look at Norwegians, Swedes (or any World's Strongest Man competition). My buddies played football against Hawaii. Time and time again they said the sheer size of the Samoan lineman is what wore them down. Pretty sure that "selective" breeding (i.e. no other options than Samoan poontang) inside their race has led to the development of certain genes and traits.

I agree with that

I disagreed SLAVERY helped black people at all.

 

[AlwaysOn]

You can't forget the influence of culture as well. Depending on what part of the world you're in you will be exposed to different sports.

Exactly.

 

[AlwaysOn]

I guess it was their choice of footwear?

And the long distance runners from Kenya can clean & jerk #400? Do not think so.

They could if they trained for it, but its not in their culture.

If they trained for it at an early age, they wouldn't be skinny at all, but huge mofos.

 

[Tagio]

there are several 'races' in africa and many 'races' of white people as well. There is a lot of genetic variation within the african continent - more than in the rest of the world. So if one 'family' is going to dominate a given sport, odds are good they will be african, all else being equal.

Culture makes it impossible to judge these things well too. Maybe white people have an easier time getting an education and a nice job and so most of them don't bother busting their asses trying to get good at track and field sports. Maybe way more black kids pursue basketball, track, and football with real dedication. If it was as simple as 'black ppl have stronger legs' then why don't they hold the world record in the snatch or clean and jerk in any weight class? How come black guys kick ass in boxing, but white guys from brazil (which has a huge black population) kick ass in no rules fighting? they have better 'genes?'

there are probably lots of physical differences between races but i just think culture makes it too hard to really establish a cause and effect relationship - like whites and asians win all teh gymnastics medals, therefore they're genetically superior gymnasts. you just can't be sure of that kind of thing by looking at the podium.

 

[coolcolj]

Another thing about black guys that I noticed is that they seem to have good genetics in every muscle, like there are a few muscles I have a hard time building but every black guy I've seen at the gym are perfectly proportioned. I also noticed that asians can get ripped to hell, if they actually lift. Most asian you see are skinney as hell but there are 3 at the gym I go to that are just crazy ripped like bruce lee.

Blacks have higher and smaller calves though on the average - but not always

there are plenty of fat Asians too

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

there are several 'races' in africa and many 'races' of white people as well. There is a lot of genetic variation within the african continent - more than in the rest of the world. So if one 'family' is going to dominate a given sport, odds are good they will be african, all else being equal.

Culture makes it impossible to judge these things well too. Maybe white people have an easier time getting an education and a nice job and so most of them don't bother busting their asses trying to get good at track and field sports. Maybe way more black kids pursue basketball, track, and football with real dedication. If it was as simple as 'black ppl have stronger legs' then why don't they hold the world record in the snatch or clean and jerk in any weight class? How come black guys kick ass in boxing, but white guys from brazil (which has a huge black population) kick ass in no rules fighting? they have better 'genes?'

there are probably lots of physical differences between races but i just think culture makes it too hard to really establish a cause and effect relationship - like whites and asians win all teh gymnastics medals, therefore they're genetically superior gymnasts. you just can't be sure of that kind of thing by looking at the podium.

Best answer yet. Culture honestly has more influence than genetics. How many Cambodian gymnasts do you know? If you know none does that make Cambodians lousy gymnasts? Maybe black men can jump higher because they spend after school jumping for the ball, while whitey is sittin on his ass playing halo.

 

[KC Kancho]

There is no scientific basis for what I'm writing, but just from my experiences. I'm thinking that it's a combination of genetics, culture and lifestyle.

I'm 100% Japanese, but I was born and raised in America. Meanwhile, my cousins and extended kin have lived in Japan their entire lives. Physically, my siblings (that were born & raised in America) and I are very different from our cousins. I'm built like a high school wrestler or a running back (5' 8", 160 lbs), and my younger brother did wrestling in high school. One of our cousins is taller than us, but he has the typical Japanese male build of being really skinny, and we outweigh him by at least 20 pounds (of muscle).

Here in America, people can tell that I work out, but since there are a lot of people bigger than me, it's not as noticeable. But when I go to Japan, I stand out physically.

Bodybuilding and weightlifting aren't as big in Japan as they are in America. Though those particular activities aren't mainstream, Japanese people are plenty athletic. A lot of them participate in high school sports, and in Japan, it's year round for each sport. At the moment, soccer is the craze in Japan. And soccer players aren't known for being big.

During one of my tenures in Japan, I did meet one Japanese guy who was physically bigger and stronger than me, and he did Judo.

Those are just some experiences.

K.C.