diuretics pre-show

[musclegirl28]

Hi guys! It's me again... here's a new question for you...
I have taken (for my last 3 shows), a diuretic called "aldactone"... it's fairly mild diuretic... I started Wednesday 1 in the am and 1 in the pm... I did this Thursday, Friday and Saturday too. Results were fair. I wanted to know if any of you have had any experiences with other types of diuretics (not interested in loops though like lasix)... how about dyazide or aldactazide? what is the schedule that you used for this particular diuretic?

any diuretic info would be helpful!

yours in dryness,
musclegirl

 

[*Bunny*]

I don't know much about this, but I'll bump it for ya ...

 

[The Shadow]

Hi guys! It's me again... here's a new question for you...
I have taken (for my last 3 shows), a diuretic called "aldactone"... it's fairly mild diuretic... I started Wednesday 1 in the am and 1 in the pm... I did this Thursday, Friday and Saturday too. Results were fair. I wanted to know if any of you have had any experiences with other types of diuretics (not interested in loops though like lasix)... how about dyazide or aldactazide? what is the schedule that you used for this particular diuretic?

any diuretic info would be helpful!

yours in dryness,
musclegirl

Most of that is user dependent

pounds of bodyweight

water intake

carb intake


loading or depleting


you cant answer without specifics

 

[musclegirl28]

user: 110 pounds at 8-9% bodyfat, water intake cuts off at Thursday until end of show (only sips of water - very sparingly so that I don't choke on my meals). My carb intake would be quite low... however, on Friday nite before the show... I carb load (ie. last meal of day would have a baked potato).. Any suggestions for diuretic?

 

[courtneybcca]

this is what I do for before show... but this has been tailored to me by a really good trainer that was watching over me...

a week or two weeks depending on how I am looking before the show I start drinking only reverse osmosis water or distilled because there is NO SODIUM...

the week of the show I will cut my CARBS bigtime and eat foods that are natural diuretics... so like green peppers and cucumbers I know there a few more but those are the ones I like and can stand for a long period of time...

so only carbs would be in the morning then its meals of boiled chicken (that is right BOILED chicken) because you get all the sodium out but its NASTY!!!

so something like 1/4 to 1/2 cup of oatmeal first meal and protein powder

then if show is on like a saturday mon-wed I will repeat the first meal twice

then meals 3-5 are boiled chicken breast and green peppers and cucumbers... no limit on the vegs..

meal 6 is just boiled chicken

then thursday and friday I will cut out the second oatmeal meal and do 2-5 of the boiled chicken and vegs

on the day of the show I will eat a large portion of oatmeal like a cup and then like an hour or so before the show I will either eat oatmeal again or something else high in carbs...

this works WONDERS for me but again everyone is different... I usually drop anywhere from 5-10 pounds of water weight

 

[The Shadow]

user: 110 pounds at 8-9% bodyfat, water intake cuts off at Thursday until end of show (only sips of water - very sparingly so that I don't choke on my meals). My carb intake would be quite low... however, on Friday nite before the show... I carb load (ie. last meal of day would have a baked potato).. Any suggestions for diuretic?

well....one day of carb loading isnt sufficient

you need 2-3 days for a full carb up

and of course you cant cut water AND carb load at the same time...

 

[musclegirl28]

i actually don't have a carb load in my plan... it's really a fat load (steak and potatoes the night of the show). Assuming that I do carb load about Monday to Wednesday, and then cut my water starting the night of Thursday, and fat load the night of Friday before the show (and I don't do any sodium loading at all!!!) As a matter of fact, I bake my chicken all the way up until 8 weeks out... and the final 8 weeks I boil that sucker!!

 

[The Shadow]

i actually don't have a carb load in my plan... it's really a fat load (steak and potatoes the night of the show). Assuming that I do carb load about Monday to Wednesday, and then cut my water starting the night of Thursday, and fat load the night of Friday before the show (and I don't do any sodium loading at all!!!) As a matter of fact, I bake my chicken all the way up until 8 weeks out... and the final 8 weeks I boil that sucker!!

so....you carb load M-Wed...

then cut water


so you then lose the carbs that you just loaded.....

am I understading that correctly?

 

[Miss24k]

so....you carb load M-Wed...

then cut water


so you then lose the carbs that you just loaded.....

am I understading that correctly?

Shouldn't it be the another way around, cut water then load carbs???

 

[musclegirl28]

To tell you the truth, I haven't ever incorporated carb loading into my plan at all. From what I understand, people have told me to carb load early and then deplete it closer to the show. So yes, you would then lose those carbs that were just loaded... almost starving those muscles. Then fat loading would apparantly fill them up. It actually worked.

 

[Miss24k]

To tell you the truth, I haven't ever incorporated carb loading into my plan at all. From what I understand, people have told me to carb load early and then deplete it closer to the show. So yes, you would then lose those carbs that were just loaded... almost starving those muscles. Then fat loading would apparantly fill them up. It actually worked.

I've heard of a fat load before.

But didn't you say you would have a steak and potato the night before?

Sorry just trying to understand

 

[musclegirl28]

Yes, I would have a steak the night before (which is the fat source)... I would also in the same night have a cheesecake if that didn't fill out the muscles. I can immediately see when I fill out... it's pretty freaky! I have a baked potato too... can't explain that one... but that's pretty much the only solid carb I have that late. I also consume oatmeal in meal 1, sweet potato in meal 2, greens in meal 3 and plain rice cakes in meal 4... the steak is my meal 5... and believe it or not.... every 3-4 hours thereafter, I would have an "eatmore" bar or a handful of cashews. That's my fatload.

 

[The Shadow]

you carb load just before the show


you carb deplete 6-7 days out for 3 days...then fill back up on carbs for 3 days

 

[Miss24k]

you carb load just before the show


you carb deplete 6-7 days out for 3 days...then fill back up on carbs for 3 days

when you're depleting you also deplete water too no?

 

[The Shadow]

when you're depleting you also deplete water too no?

Welll.......


technically........yes..you should curb it a bit


the carb depletion itself drops a lot of water on its own..but yes - in general - cut water a bit as well

 

[courtneybcca]

I Just sip water from like 12 the day before... but before that my water intake doesn't change

 

[musclegirl28]

Shadow: I was never taught that... :-(

Miss24k: From what i gather, it looks like water depletion and carb loading don't happen together... (this is what Shadow said) I'm slowly learning!! ;-)

well....one day of carb loading isnt sufficient

you need 2-3 days for a full carb up

and of course you cant cut water AND carb load at the same time...

 

[Sassy69]

I haven't seen my last week's prep yet, but it's going to be something like the following:

- Carb deplete Sat or Sun thru Wed. Then start dropping the amount of protein and keeping only red meat protein - I guess for the fat, increase the amount of carbs starting Wed. Shadow is right - carbs take at least 36 hrs to start filling you out. That's why lots of people look better the day AFTER the show cuz they started carbing too late.
- Water - starting on Mon - take your body weight in oz of water, e.g. I weigh 139 that monday, so drink 139 oz water that day, and drop the amount 20% each day for the 5 days up to the show, sipping water the day of.

 

[The Shadow]

Water - starting on Mon - take your body weight in oz of water, e.g. I weigh 139 that monday, so drink 139 oz water that day, and drop the amount 20% each day for the 5 days up to the show, sipping water the day of.

Note Sassy is recommending exactly what I said.....you CANNOT carb load with total water restriction

 

[musclegirl28]

Thanks Sass and Shadow! Thanks for the info... can't wait to see the results! But for now... I have 18 weeks to go before I do this...my focus is to keep it clean until then... Good luck at your show Sassy - can't wait to hear good news!! ;-)

 

[Sassy69]

Thx girl!

Interesting approach w/ my trainer - starting the water depletion slower & longer than what I've normally heard. Usually my water depletion has started on Wed before the show - 1/2 of my normal water intake = abotu 1 gal, 1/2 that on THurs = 1/2 gal, 1/2 that on Fri = 1/4 gal, Sat = sip. I'll be interested to see how that goes.

 

[The Shadow]

Sas...it will dry you out to a greater extent at the cost of fullness

 

[Sassy69]

He had taken some girls to the Jr USAs and they were following the 3 day water deplete and were water bloated on stage on Sat. The comment was that the 3 day deplete was a pro approach for those more chemically enhanced and they couldn't metabolically clear the water in time. So the slower method might have worked better.

 

[The Shadow]

. So the slower method might have worked better.

Exactly my point..you will def get dryer

 

[Sassy69]

If this is what I end up doing, this is probably what I need to do given my little extra layer of fat & skin right now....

 

[The Shadow]

agreed......you have such round muscle bellies thatyou can retain shape even though your water intake is low

look at the bios for Petes sake

 

[musclegirl28]

So Shadow, enlighten me please... let me know what kinds of foods you would use to carb load with, and how often would you load? How far out would you begin to carb load, and how does this effect my water intake/depletion?