Disturbing numbers!

[The_Eviscerator]

You know there are 895,915 posts on the Anabolic Board.

There are 160,203 posts on the Training Board and only 81,044 posts on the Diet Board.

I assume everyone knows all there is to know about training and diet and immediately jumps into Anabolics. I am not going to bullshit you and say that I am 100% natural, but a little more attention to training and diet is equal to 10 cycles... and these are gains you keep and you don't need clomid to grow back your balls and you won't get gyno.

Just a little rant... carry on.

 

[Zander1983]

And a very justified rant at that

 

[SeanHolmz]

This is a very good point broham.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

No, you have a point, most guys who do their first cycle know nothing about training or nutrition. The kids at my gym who come up and ask me questions are proof of that. I see guys who don't know anything about training (having sat and watched them train), and obviously eat like shit come over and start chatting with me, then tell me they aren't making the gains they would like on their d-bol cycle and ask me if I've ever used insulin. Then ask me if I think it would help them "get really big faster". Amazing.

 

[casualbb]

Whatever... it's the easy way out. If they have the money and time to throw at doing cycles with sub-par training and diet, that's their prerogative.

That's why, I suspect, that some people on the training board are so quick to disuade others from using.

The prevalent attitude seems to be "Spend years hitting your genetic ceiling, then use." Well cool, but I think people saying that is motivated a little out of fear -- fear that these people can, in 1-2 years, have a body indistinguishable from the one they spent 5 years building.

I don't use. I don't have the money, and right now, I don't have the food available to max out my gains. That's not to say I'll never use, but my current goals should be plenty easy to achieve without drugs. To be honest, I'm actually curious to see exactly how potent they are.

 

[Zander1983]

The prevalent attitude seems to be "Spend years hitting your genetic ceiling, then use." Well cool, but I think people saying that is motivated a little out of fear -- fear that these people can, in 1-2 years, have a body indistinguishable from the one they spent 5 years building.

I don't use. I don't have the money, and right now, I don't have the food available to max out my gains. That's not to say I'll never use, but my current goals should be plenty easy to achieve without drugs. To be honest, I'm actually curious to see exactly how potent they are.

I'm definately jealous of somebody who can do what takes my 5 years in their 1-2.

But for me, the costs and accessibility issues (down here they are exponentially higher than in the US) far outweigh the fact I could get what I want much quicker. That's not even bringing potential health concerns into play.

 

[longarms]

I've been lifting off and on for over 25 years. Always clean, and always thought I'd never reach my long term goals if I stayed that way.
Now I'm not advocating my current situation as a cure all, but I'm bigger & nearly as strong as I have ever been. One of my "things to do in this lifetime" was to build 18" arms at less than 18% BF. I reached that goal last week. I'm eating breakfast 2x a day, usually bacon & pancakes or french toast, sometimes a bowl of grits, milk, & an occasional Whopper or Chicken sandwich from Subway, & creatine. The availability of decent equipment and the time and determination to use it has resulted in success in spite of my diet limitations. I can't wait to get back to real food & more protein. Now I have new goals, and will achieve them as well.

Never give up. There's always something you can improve on or add to give you that edge you've always been looking for. The training advice & motivation I've gotten here has certainly propelled me to levels I had thought not possible. When I get to add nutrition to the mix, watch out!

 

[STEP OFF]

its funny, there must be a source at my gym, cus recently i hear all these little pieces of shit talking about how they're "on" and how pumped they feel. and there saying this while benching 135 and weighing under 150.

i thought about using last year after the opportunity was presented to me. but after all the reading i did, and all the people i have talked to, it just sounds way too fucking dangerous (in terms of side effects). plus, i like my balls the way the are

 

[Mike_Rojas]

Most of those small guys should get off their butts and do squats, deads, rows, and push presses. It's hard damn work to get big whether you "use" or not. Curls and benches only go so far.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

i thought about using last year after the opportunity was presented to me. but after all the reading i did, and all the people i have talked to, it just sounds way too fucking dangerous (in terms of side effects). plus, i like my balls the way the are

The side effects are greatly exaggerated when done correctly and safely.... my only beef is the lack of effort that people put into educating themselves on training and dieting.

People would be using much less gear if they were truly dedicated and not shooting juice to look big for the weekend to go get drunk and fucked up at some club to pick up some skank.

I at least drink icewater with a lemon while picking up my skank...lol

 

[Liftbig]

thats pretty sad.

 

[Debaser]

COUGH COUGH COUGH

 

[The_Eviscerator]

COUGH COUGH COUGH

LOL... HST kicks ass... and I am sorry to steal some of your thunder.

 

[Zander1983]

COUGH COUGH COUGH

That was an excellent post

 

[JOKER47]

The side effects are greatly exaggerated when done correctly and safely.... my only beef is the lack of effort that people put into educating themselves on training and dieting.

This argument is old as the hills, and is pretty much summed up in the above statement.


Joker

 

[needsize]

most of the posts in the anabolic forum are idiots that have no idea about training or gear...."I've been training for 6 months and my gains have stopped so I think its time for my first cycle, how do steroids work and where can I get them???"
Everytime I ask a serious question, its bumped off the page by questions like that or "What cycle do you think brad pitt or vin deisil is doing"..If you cant get that big without steroids find a new hobby

 

[papucho]

most of the posts in the anabolic forum are idiots that have no idea about training or gear...."I've been training for 6 months and my gains have stopped so I think its time for my first cycle, how do steroids work and where can I get them???"
Everytime I ask a serious question, its bumped off the page by questions like that or "What cycle do you think brad pitt or vin deisil is doing"..If you cant get that big without steroids find a new hobby

That's true

 

[The_Eviscerator]

most of the posts in the anabolic forum are idiots that have no idea about training or gear...."I've been training for 6 months and my gains have stopped so I think its time for my first cycle, how do steroids work and where can I get them???"
Everytime I ask a serious question, its bumped off the page by questions like that or "What cycle do you think brad pitt or vin deisil is doing"..If you cant get that big without steroids find a new hobby

That's why I haven't been posting much over there anymore... All I see are 5 pages from Nelson M. about how cardio is a waste of time or macronutritional timing is pointless...

Or the ubiquitous... can I drink winny post... Post more over here... people seem to think a little more clearly without all the androgens.

 

[bignate73]

i havent been to the AS board in a long time, loong time. last time i was there...i weighed what i weigh now, had nosebleeds, was lethargic, holding water....and was weaker than i am now...by alot. go figure. goes to show what a little learning and some willpower will do.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

That's why I haven't been posting much over there anymore... All I see are 5 pages from Nelson M. about how cardio is a waste of time or macronutritional timing is pointless...

Or the ubiquitous... can I drink winny post... Post more over here... people seem to think a little more clearly without all the androgens.

Agreed. The anabolic board grows very tiresome with all of the bs, stupid questions and people who know nothing, nor even care about effective training and nutrition. Steroids, training and nutrition all go hand-in-hand for anyone serious about their gains. Right now in my area, the popular stack for 18-25 year old guys who want to get big is 1000 mg of test with 600 mg of eq. The problem is that most of them eat like shit, and their routines are as bad as their diets. Even at those doses, it seems common for them to be under 200 ibs and very soft. The same guys think I use 3 grams of test or something.

Drink winny, haha. Actually I had a guy ask me that in a class this summer. I told him it doesn't work if you drink it, that it absorbs alot better if you use it as an enima.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I told him it doesn't work if you drink it, that it absorbs alot better if you use it as an enima.

I know you told him that as joke, but the anus is probably 80% more effective for absorbtion than orally. I one thought of jamming 5 d-bols a day up my ass and be done with it...lol

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I know you told him that as joke, but the anus is probably 80% more effective for absorbtion than orally. I one thought of jamming 5 d-bols a day up my ass and be done with it...lol

Bwahahaah what's fucked up it that you are actually right, and so was I with the advice. I prefer injecting my winny. In fact I did so this morning. What is the issue with just injecting it?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Bwahahaah what's fucked up it that you are actually right, and so was I with the advice. I prefer injecting my winny. In fact I did so this morning. What is the issue with just injecting it?

Winny hurts like a bitch no matter where I shoot it. Some people it doesn't hurt, but no matter what brand I ever used it was fucking crippling to the point the muscle would not respond or move correctly for 3 days... it wasn't a matter of pain it was paralysis.

 

[strengthfiend]

That has always bothered me about...

Elite Fitness. There are so many young guys over on the Anabolic board who have little or no knowledge of proper training. There also seems to be a large amount of guys with serious mental problems who abuse not only steroids but recreational drugs as well. I was 25 before I ever touched anything and still I didn't know enough about training let alone anabolics. I am tried of the people, and they all go to your gyms as well who complain about not getting big. These are the same guys who want to stay lean all year round, but never accomplish size, strength or leaness.

Strengthfiend

 

[David Schwimmer]

I have to admit I feel MUCH better when I am not cycling. I decided that, for me personally, gear is not the way to go. Im sure many people will disagree, but I simply dont think its worth it.