Discussion threads that result in flames

[Juice Authority]

Lately there have been some excellent discussions on this board that have unfortunately deteriorated into a useless flame-throwing match. I have definitely been a guilty participant in that. We have some quality people on this board that are very knowledgeable in AAS, training, dieting, etc.

The bullshit between Nelson and I needs to stop to preserve the integrity of the board as it is pissing people off and disrupting otherwise good discussions.

Nelson, can we agree to disagree and just ignore each other? Let's make a commitment to be civil to each other.

 

[abuffguy22]

I'm glad to see that you are trying to end this.....again. But I have to admit, sometimes it's fun to read

 

[Zyglamail]

Disagreements and the accompanied data are what help people to decide what to beleive and actually can lead to other variations of viewpoints as well.

Its not the simple act of disagreeing but how the disagreeing is done that ruins so many threads. We cant control how others react when they read what we type, inferences are largely personal perception of what is read and no mattor how thuroughly we try and cover our ass and make sure a post wont be offensive there is a good chance it will come across as offensive to someone, no matter who well intentioned the post is.

Having said all that I simply recommend that each person does their part and concentrates on what you can control......and that is how you respond to others. I have seen it time and time again where a reply is either offensive by intent or perception, the reader responds accordingly and things escalate. Put your ego on a shelf and dont be baited into a confrontation. State your point and leave it at that.

 

[kronk]

Well said Zyg, as usual you beat me to the punch. Also, JA nice way to take the high road, keep it there. Peace.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Damn... but the flamefests are so fun to read!

That's it... you guys are all assholes!! How dare you ruin my entertainment!

 

[Lift Chief]

The key is to keep seperate an attack of a theory from an attack of a person.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

The key is to keep seperate an attack of a theory from an attack of a person.

Ah, Beautifully said Chief

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well said Zyg, as usual you beat me to the punch. Also, JA nice way to take the high road, keep it there. Peace.

The high road? HA! This is the third (or is it the forth?) time this guy has "apologized" to me and the board for upsetting threads.

Fool me once -- shame on you.

Fool me twice -- shame on me.

Try to fool me three times -- go fuck yourself.

Don't be fooled for a minute that this guy is sincere. If you don't believe me I can send you the 30 + PM's he sent, taunting me, bragging about hurting my book sales. He also boasts how he has the mds in his back pocket and will rally them to get me banned.
Kronk: Report it? It's right there for everyone to see. Look at his D-bol thread. He tries to come off contrite, and two posts later he's calling someone a moron. Then he wants the thread deleted to remove any evidence.

Bottom Line: I have no reason to fight with this guy. He's a nobody. Arguing provides no benefit to me what so ever. Yet he has admitted devoting himself to harassing me.

I don't know what else to say. It would be great if everyone acted respectfully, but disrespectable people lie, you know. They say they'll play fair. But...

Some people are just F'ked up. He won't stop.

So what do we do now?

 

[Juice Authority]

The high road? HA! This is the third (or is it the forth?) time this guy has "apologized" to me and the board for upsetting threads.

Fool me once -- shame on you.

Fool me twice -- shame on me.

Try to fool me three times -- go fuck yourself.

Don't be fooled for a minute that this guy is sincere. If you don't believe me I can send you the 30 + PM's he sent, taunting me, bragging about hurting my book sales. He also boasts how he has the mds in his back pocket and will rally them to get me banned.
Kronk: Report it? It's right there for everyone to see. Look at his D-bol thread. He tries to come off contrite, and two posts later he's calling someone a moron. Then he wants the thread deleted to remove any evidence.

Bottom Line: I have no reason to fight with this guy. He's a nobody. Arguing provides no benefit to me what so ever. Yet he has admitted devoting himself to harassing me.

I don't know what else to say. It would be great if everyone acted respectfully, but disrespectable people lie, you know. They say they'll play fair. But...

Some people are just F'ked up. He won't stop.

So what do we do now?

Nelson, you are an ego-maniac. This is NOT an apology to you for God's sake, it was more an attempt to stop the bullshit between us. I do not take sole responsibilty for this and comments like the ones above are completely unnecessary. Thanks for once again crashing my thread and being you're infantile self.

 

[Juice Authority]

And there you have it.

Way to stay out of each others way JA. Gee, that lasted all of...what, 30 seconds?

Whatever Nelson, have a good life.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, you are an ego-maniac. This is NOT an apology to you for God's sake, it was more an attempt to stop the bullshit between us. I do not take sole responsibilty for this and comments like the ones above are completely unnecessary. Thanks for once again crashing my thread and being you're infantile self.

And there you have it.

Way to stay out of each others way JA. Gee, that lasted all of...what, 30 seconds?

 

[_Yossarian_]

 

[slobberknocker]

haha I love this shit

 

[2Thick]

Bottom Line: I have no reason to fight with this guy. He's a nobody. Arguing provides no benefit to me what so ever.

This is exactly why I stopped arguing with you.

 

[rnch]

i must admit that i do enjoy some of the wittier catfights here.

unfortunately, all too many peeps shoot off their guns with no amunition inside.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

WHOOOO HOOOO... The "let's not flame" thread has turned into a flame fest.... AWESOME!!!

 

[Juice Authority]

This is exactly why I stopped arguing with you.

It is rather pointless. As inviting as it is at times it's like talking to a wall. It is impossible to permeate Nelson's rather think membrane. I give up!

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is exactly why I stopped arguing with you.

Because you're a nobody too?

 

[Rio 2001]

Because you're a nobody too?

And here we go...

 

[Juice Authority]

Because you're a nobody too?

Nice one Nelson. There you go again flaming the Mods. I don't know how you get away with it. What an example that sets for the other members. 2Think has more respect around here than you'll ever have. Calling him a nobody just makes you look like a complete fool.

 

[rnch]

i was not making reference to anyone on this thread; was referring to someone who richly deserved his recent banishment.

 

[speedy7]

The high road? HA! This is the third (or is it the forth?) time this guy has "apologized" to me and the board for upsetting threads.

Fool me once -- shame on you.

Fool me twice -- shame on me.

Try to fool me three times -- go fuck yourself.

Don't be fooled for a minute that this guy is sincere. If you don't believe me I can send you the 30 + PM's he sent, taunting me, bragging about hurting my book sales. He also boasts how he has the mds in his back pocket and will rally them to get me banned.
Kronk: Report it? It's right there for everyone to see. Look at his D-bol thread. He tries to come off contrite, and two posts later he's calling someone a moron. Then he wants the thread deleted to remove any evidence.

Bottom Line: I have no reason to fight with this guy. He's a nobody. Arguing provides no benefit to me what so ever. Yet he has admitted devoting himself to harassing me.

I don't know what else to say. It would be great if everyone acted respectfully, but disrespectable people lie, you know. They say they'll play fair. But...

Some people are just F'ked up. He won't stop.

So what do we do now?

I have some points to bring to this anti-flame discussion

1. Nelson you say it would be great if everyone acted respectfully, but I'm sorry you said, "go fuck yourself" to JA. Sounds like a lot of repect you are giving. Are there exceptions?

2. Even if he did send you pms, two wrongs don't make a right, unless its that math shit.

3. JA has not attacked you personally at all in this thread. I will be watching future posts with you or him and so will everyone else. So don't worry and be happy.

4. If JA is playing you than you've already been played and he is getting just the reaction he wanted and you lose. I have noticed him calling on you when you started a post and then you didn't even check it for a freaking leap year! Why bother posting when your not going to even check up on it in a resonable amount of time.

5. It takes two to have an argument.

6.Both of you have a plether of knowledge, it is your ideas and theories that conflict. Put down the gloves and stop attacking the person and have a good non-personal discussion!!!!

Put down your flame guns

 

[speedy7]

okay maybe a little personal attack but he is bringing out more of a point than a personal insult.

 

[kronk]

Because you're a nobody too?

NELSON that is enough already. I care about this site and you are selling your products here. Jesus, for a man in his 40's you are acting like my 6 year old. I don't want to see the site loose sales because of your childish behavior, please stop.

For Christ sakes, use the IGNORE button and forget this childish crap. I have been a fan of you in the past, but seeing how you treat people has made me and most of the people at this site loose a lot of respect for you. This is not professional business demeanor. In business if you want to be successful you need to learn how to deal with the negativity in a professional way. Please get some business ethics or just stop posting as you are now hurting the site.

You stirred up this crap by coming in and posting. There was no need for you to come in and start in on JA, I dont care what he did. He extended the olive branch and you wouldnt take it. You know, it takes a big man to know when to stop, when are you going to get there?

 

[speedy7]

I didn't think it would get this serious but Kronk is right.

Nelson just bend over and take it up the tail pipe, its not worth the fight.

 

[~ThaGame~]

The high road? HA! This is the third (or is it the forth?) time this guy has "apologized" to me and the board for upsetting threads.

Fool me once -- shame on you.

Fool me twice -- shame on me.

Try to fool me three times -- go fuck yourself.

Don't be fooled for a minute that this guy is sincere. If you don't believe me I can send you the 30 + PM's he sent, taunting me, bragging about hurting my book sales. He also boasts how he has the mds in his back pocket and will rally them to get me banned.
Kronk: Report it? It's right there for everyone to see. Look at his D-bol thread. He tries to come off contrite, and two posts later he's calling someone a moron. Then he wants the thread deleted to remove any evidence.

Bottom Line: I have no reason to fight with this guy. He's a nobody. Arguing provides no benefit to me what so ever. Yet he has admitted devoting himself to harassing me.

I don't know what else to say. It would be great if everyone acted respectfully, but disrespectable people lie, you know. They say they'll play fair. But...

Some people are just F'ked up. He won't stop.

So what do we do now?

I'll second that, JA is the fakest bitch on EF. If your gonna try and suck up don't be a bitch and turn around and send insulting PM's. You act like your shit comes out gift wrapped or something.
How about a new thread saying "JA quit posting on threads b/c everyone you reply on turns into a flamefest" don't you get it? YOU ARE THE FUCKIN FLAMER! YOUR the problem, you can dish out the flames but simply can't take em, so you turn around and send bad karma and rediculous PM's

 

[speedy7]

I'll second that, JA is the fakest bitch on EF. If your gonna try and suck up don't be a bitch and turn around and send insulting PM's. You act like your shit comes out gift wrapped or something.
How about a new thread saying "JA quit posting on threads b/c everyone you reply on turns into a flamefest" don't you get it? YOU ARE THE FUCKIN FLAMER! YOUR the problem, you can dish out the flames but simply can't take em, so you turn around and send bad karma and rediculous PM's

U may have fallen into the same trap man

 

[Juice Authority]

I'll second that, JA is the fakest bitch on EF. If your gonna try and suck up don't be a bitch and turn around and send insulting PM's. You act like your shit comes out gift wrapped or something.
How about a new thread saying "JA quit posting on threads b/c everyone you reply on turns into a flamefest" don't you get it? YOU ARE THE FUCKIN FLAMER! YOUR the problem, you can dish out the flames but simply can't take em, so you turn around and send bad karma and rediculous PM's

Who are you again?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'll second that, JA is the fakest bitch on EF. If your gonna try and suck up don't be a bitch and turn around and send insulting PM's. You act like your shit comes out gift wrapped or something.
How about a new thread saying "JA quit posting on threads b/c everyone you reply on turns into a flamefest" don't you get it? YOU ARE THE FUCKIN FLAMER! YOUR the problem, you can dish out the flames but simply can't take em, so you turn around and send bad karma and rediculous PM's

Exactly.



Okay, the reply to 2thick was harsh, but it was too funny to pass up. My bad (as the kids say)

Kronk: JA offered an olive branch?!?! The guy just PM'd me with a death threat!

Ever hear of Prime Minister Chamberlain? Any Brits here that can fill him in?

 

[Juice Authority]

Exactly.



Okay, the reply to 2thick was harsh, but it was too funny to pass up. My bad (as the kids say)

Kronk: JA offered an olive branch?!?! The guy just PM'd me with a death threat!

Ever hear of Prime Minister Chamberlain? Any Brits here that can fill him in?

A death threat? LOL! I believe this was your comment via PM..."Because of assholes like you, I carry. So you better take me out or you'll be very sorry. I hope your little grudge is worth it". Who threatened who?

 

[satchboogie]

man!!!!!!

you guys are both unfuckin believable!

JUICE AUTHORITY..... stop fuckin with nelson. if you dont dig his shit just dont remark on his comments.

NELSON MONTANA... same goes for you.

both of you keep it clean as i got a feeling somebody is gonna lose bigtime if this continues.

 

[~ThaGame~]

by the way JA i would be the person who made u look like a bitch when you PM'd me saying "hey man you better watch it, your new around here"
Your stupid ass thought just because your a loser and reply to 20 threads a day that you've been a member longer than me haha fuckin moron....
know this, when i respond it has a meaning and i don't just respond to rack my posts up

 

[Juice Authority]

by the way JA i would be the person who made u look like a bitch when you PM'd me saying "hey man you better watch it, your new around here"
Your stupid ass thought just because your a loser and reply to 20 threads a day that you've been a member longer than me haha fuckin moron....
know this, when i respond it has a meaning and i don't just respond to rack my posts up

Ok, tough guy. You made me look like a "bitch". You're right, I concede. You win. I can tell your responses are filled with substance and very informative. Your statement above is proof of that. Now, get off my thread.

 

[satchboogie]

its these types of threads that fuck up the reputation of a board.

its already being looked at by mods. i strongly recommend the flaming to stop IMMEDIATELY!

and that doesnt just apply to our lovebirds!!!

 

[satchboogie]

MODS...PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD......................................NO MORE POSTS HERE!

 

[speedy7]

Game bro, just stop this war. We are bros, we need to treat each other with a little more respect, you get no where by insults. Rd my put the flame guns down post

 

[satchboogie]

FOR THE SAFELY AND REPUTATION OF ELITE....................PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE POSTS ON THIS THREAD.

 

[Juice Authority]

MODS...PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD......................................NO MORE POSTS HERE!

I don't think so Bro. Some of the Mods are being singled out by Nelson and insulted like 2Think. They should be able to repsond to that.

 

[~ThaGame~]

Game bro, just stop this war. We are bros, we need to treat each other with a little more respect, you get no where by insults. Rd my put the flame guns down post

your right bro, i'm done with the flames
they're pointless anyway, i hope some people will be mature enough to move on also

 

[Juice Authority]

I barely read any of this thread because I'm sure it's full of flaming. JA give it up. You ruin every thread you post on. I don't care if you hate Nelson, but grow the fuck up. Don't try to shift the blame either. You're fooling nobody.

I've seen at least 2 other threads where you claim you'll stop flaming with Nelson, and you break your promises each time. Don't keep making empty promises, JUST DO IT.

Ok, so your saying all this bullshit is primarily my doing? That's complete bullshit.

 

[DeepZenPill]

I barely read any of this thread because I'm sure it's full of flaming. JA give it up. You ruin every thread you post on. I don't care if you hate Nelson, but grow the fuck up. Don't try to shift the blame either. You're fooling nobody.

I've seen at least 2 other threads where you claim you'll stop flaming with Nelson, and you break your promises each time. Don't keep making empty promises, JUST DO IT.

 

[speedy7]

I think it is good for the regulars because if we work through this it shows elites character development. Don't delete post.

 

[satchboogie]

Ok, so your saying all this bullshit is primarily my doing? That's complete bullshit.

its take 2 to tango.

 

[Juice Authority]

its take 2 to tango.

Not according to DeepZenPill who obviously has some sort of issue with me yet I have never gotten into it with him.

 

[flexed1]

Oh wrong thread i was looking for chicken soup for the bodybuilding soul. carry on

 

[DeepZenPill]

And before anyone decides to give me shit, I'm not just posting to advocate for Nelson. I'm trying to help this board stay free of this crap.

If you don't like Nelson's "controversial" threads, then don't bother posting on them. More participation just leads to more popularity. If you feel like you should post to disagree, do it. If he replies inappropriately, that's on him.

I'm not siding with anyone in this bullshit. There hasn't been a single righteous person involved in any of the flaming.

 

[satchboogie]

I'm not siding with anyone in this bullshit. There hasn't been a single righteous person involved in any of the flaming.

i hear that one.
bottom line is that both juice and nelson are very knowledgable and are valuable assets to this board.

we need to come together and figure this shit out.

 

[white boy]

Because you're a nobody too?

lol, you guys are a riot

seriously though JA, everytime you get remorseful for flaming Nelson, you realy don't need to post about it, you might end up eating your words

no flame intended

 

[speedy7]

Well isn't there a flamefest clause, has it ever been acted upon yet???? Just curios

 

[speedy7]

no that the type of non flame post that will help us work things out.

Gooze frahba "Anger Management" Anyone remember that.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

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[Juice Authority]

oK I gotta get into this jsut one post.

Juice I love you bro, but sometimes you do go over the top.

Nelson- your a nothing more than a corporate scammer. I read your book and you know what it wasn't that good. I guess lifting weights with your penis tied to your left testicle might add 5 pounds, but hell bro go push your bullshit on a webpage and not this great site.

Cheers,

Bumpo

Over the top? Me?

 

[bumpo]

oK I gotta get into this jsut one post.

Juice I love you bro, but sometimes you do go over the top.

Nelson- your a nothing more than a corporate scammer. I read your book and you know what it wasn't that good. I guess lifting weights with your penis tied to your left testicle might add 5 pounds, but hell bro go push your bullshit on a webpage and not this great site.

Cheers,

Bumpo

 

[BigAndy69]

Juice, I think it's in your interest to stop the flaming. Nelson is not going anywhere, he makes the site money.

You on the other hand can be easily banned. If Nelson Had shown the MODS more respect JA would have been censored\banned a long time ago.

Then you become a bitter little bitch like Warbird..is that what you want?

STOP! Very few people think it's funny and you are helping Nelson more than you are hurting him. Whenever he is proven wrong, you come in with a stupid and childish comment and you allow Nelson to easily avoid the real issue, ie "I won't respond to this thread because JA shit all over it " Blah blah blah...

JA, everybody is getting tired of this, you are making a fool of yourself.

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice, I think it's in your interest to stop the flaming. Nelson is not going anywhere, he makes the site money.

You on the other hand can be easily banned. If Nelson Had shown the MODS more respect JA would have been censored\banned a long time ago.

Then you become a bitter little bitch like Warbird..is that what you want?

STOP! Very few people think it's funny and you are helping Nelson more than you are hurting him. Whenever he is proven wrong, you come in with a stupid and childish comment and you allow Nelson to easily avoid the real issue, ie "I won't respond to this thread because JA shit all over it " Blah blah blah...

JA, everybody is getting tired of this, you are making a fool of yourself.

You've been on this board for longer than most people and I respect your opinion. However, it seemed by the tone of your post you feel I'm the one in the wrong here. I definitely have a part to play in this but it sure goes both ways. I'm usually the one that points out where Nelson's theories are flawed (i.e. clomid, short-cycles and AM cardio) and that has been where the flames begin. Nelson can't stand it when people question his theories. He acts like a little baby most of the time. I don't mind you laying into me on the thread but I'm certainly not the only culprit here.

 

[kronk]

Oh wrong thread i was looking for chicken soup for the bodybuilding soul. carry on

ROFL!

P.S. The reason for thread lock is because this really isn't anabolic discussion and it needs to close down. Lets get back to education and knowledge sharing shall we fellas?

 

[2Thick]

Because you're a nobody too?

Are you asking me or are you telling me?