Different types of protein shakes

[Paolo]

Ive been reading different stuff about what ppl drink in their protein shakes.

I just bought two big 1kg tubs of chocolate whey protein which im lead to beleive is the best stuff as its the most easily absorbed.

Ive been advised to have a whey shake with dextrose PWO.

Heres the thing, if i want to have a protein shake during the say but its not PWO is it still better to have whey protein? or is there any other types of protein that are better for just a general shake?

Cheers

Paolo

 

[KillahBee]

Ive been reading different stuff about what ppl drink in their protein shakes.

I just bought two big 1kg tubs of chocolate whey protein which im lead to beleive is the best stuff as its the most easily absorbed.

Ive been advised to have a whey shake with dextrose PWO.

Heres the thing, if i want to have a protein shake during the say but its not PWO is it still better to have whey protein? or is there any other types of protein that are better for just a general shake?

Cheers

Paolo

I say whey is fine. It probably depends on your entire daily diet. A protein with Casein is better for at night before bed.

 

[Neo22]

Whey is fine during the day, just add carbs to it. Add some oats.

 

[6_pak]

Ive been reading different stuff about what ppl drink in their protein shakes.

I just bought two big 1kg tubs of chocolate whey protein which im lead to beleive is the best stuff as its the most easily absorbed.

Ive been advised to have a whey shake with dextrose PWO.

Heres the thing, if i want to have a protein shake during the say but its not PWO is it still better to have whey protein? or is there any other types of protein that are better for just a general shake?

Cheers

Paolo

Two best times for whey: breakfast and PWO- other times of the day would be ok but you need to add either fats or carbs to it, to slow down digestion. The problem with whey/water only shakes through the day is that it is absorbed very quickly and you will run out of the supply of aminos too soon before your next meal, this could lead to catabolism. So if you want to supplement with a shake, as most of us on a limited budget and/or convenience factor do, try MRP shakes or casein shakes that time releases the aminos into your system. If money/convenience isnt a problem whole food options would be ideal.
Another option would be to have a whey/milk combo shake. I hate the taste of milk and i hate the sugars i get from milk even worse, so this isnt an option for me, but if you like it, it would be a good option.

 

[Paolo]

Two best times for whey: breakfast and PWO- other times of the day would be ok but you need to add either fats or carbs to it, to slow down digestion. The problem with whey/water only shakes through the day is that it is absorbed very quickly and you will run out of the supply of aminos too soon before your next meal, this could lead to catabolism. So if you want to supplement with a shake, as most of us on a limited budget and/or convenience factor do, try MRP shakes or casein shakes that time releases the aminos into your system. If money/convenience isnt a problem whole food options would be ideal.
Another option would be to have a whey/milk combo shake. I hate the taste of milk and i hate the sugars i get from milk even worse, so this isnt an option for me, but if you like it, it would be a good option.

So if i made a 500ml shake up with my whey protein mix and skimmed milk this would work?

The milk would provide the carbs for it to absorb slowly?

If so this could sort out any worries i had as a i love milk!

let me know

Paul

 

[pintoca]

Post workout you don't want to use milk as the objective post work out is: FAST into the muscle... any other time, it is ok, as long as you are OK with milk and the sugar it has.

 

[jenscats5]

Post workout you don't want to use milk as the objective post work out is: FAST into the muscle... any other time, it is ok, as long as you are OK with milk and the sugar it has.

No, PWO is when you do want the milk in the shake as it's then you want the sugar/carb for fast absorbing....

Other times, such as B4 bed, is when you don't want the milk but you do wan the fat so it'll absorb more slowly to prevent muscle catabolism...

 

[pintoca]

No, PWO is when you do want the milk in the shake as it's then you want the sugar/carb for fast absorbing....

Other times, such as B4 bed, is when you don't want the milk but you do wan the fat so it'll absorb more slowly to prevent muscle catabolism...

uhhhh, Jen, haven't we been saying for the longes while now that PWO people should go for a fast absorving protein (whey, or even better Hidrolyzed or Isolate) together with a High GI simple carb (dextrose, maltodextrin or both) for the insuline spike required to jet that protein into the muscles (and curve catabolism with the simple carbs killing cortisol at the same time)

If he adds milk to the PWO shake instead of water, he will make the absorbtion of the protein slower, besides, Lactose is not the type of carb he requires at that particular time of day.

I am all up for milk, but not PWO, that particular shake goes down in water... morning, afternoon shakes I love with milk.

Just my 2cents.

Pintoca

 

[jenscats5]

uhhhh, Jen, haven't we been saying for the longes while now that PWO people should go for a fast absorving protein (whey, or even better Hidrolyzed or Isolate) together with a High GI simple carb (dextrose, maltodextrin or both) for the insuline spike required to jet that protein into the muscles (and curve catabolism with the simple carbs killing cortisol at the same time)

If he adds milk to the PWO shake instead of water, he will make the absorbtion of the protein slower, besides, Lactose is not the type of carb he requires at that particular time of day.

I am all up for milk, but not PWO, that particular shake goes down in water... morning, afternoon shakes I love with milk.

Just my 2cents.

Pintoca

Stop trying to confuse me!! LOL

But cuz the skim milk has no fat -- it's fat that slows down the absorption -- and the milk is a simple carb, so it shouldn't slow down the absorption....

I've been following this:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368904

 

[The Shadow]

confused: uhhhh, Jen, haven't we been saying for the longes while now that PWO people should go for a fast absorving protein (whey, or even better Hidrolyzed or Isolate) together with a High GI simple carb (dextrose, maltodextrin or both) for the insuline spike required to jet that protein into the muscles (and curve catabolism with the simple carbs killing cortisol at the same time)

Thats spitting hairs.....I have used Malto and I have used simple sugars such as lactose in milk and fruit...I have noticed ZERO difference...you still get enougfh of an insulin spike with simple carbs to blunt the cortisol rise


If he adds milk to the PWO shake instead of water, he will make the absorbtion of the protein slower, besides, Lactose is not the type of carb he requires at that particular time of day.

Again...I think that unless you are a competitor, this point about lactose vesus Malto is moot

I am all up for milk, but not PWO, that particular shake goes down in water... morning, afternoon shakes I love with milk.

again - LOL....I have done both...see no difference in recovery


Just my 2cents.


As it is mine......


FOr BULKING purposes, I would use Malto...cutting...I dont think it really matters form a real world standpoint

 

[Paolo]

Man your both confusing me now

The way ive read it is that im to have a PWO shake of whey and dextrose.

What is the best way to have a shake say around 9-10pm, and for it to the most benefit to me?

Also what on earth is Catabolism? sounds damn painful!!!

Cheers

Paolo

 

[The Shadow]

Man your both confusing me now

The way ive read it is that im to have a PWO shake of whey and dextrose.

What is the best way to have a shake say around 9-10pm, and for it to the most benefit to me?

Also what on earth is Catabolism? sounds damn painful!!!

Cheers

Paolo

A shake before bed nned to be a slower digesting protein OR whey with fat added.


Again - I "know" what the studies show.....in a cutting environment - I think malto vs. other sugars is a moot point.....

 

[jenscats5]

"catabolism
In biology, the destructive part of metabolism where living tissue is changed into energy and waste products.

It is the opposite of anabolism. It occurs continuously in the body, but is accelerated during many disease processes, such as fever, and in starvation."


IE -- at night while asleep....with muscle being the living tissue..... You don't feel it...you're asleep

 

[pintoca]

"catabolism
In biology, the destructive part of metabolism where living tissue is changed into energy and waste products.

It is the opposite of anabolism. It occurs continuously in the body, but is accelerated during many disease processes, such as fever, and in starvation."


IE -- at night while asleep....with muscle being the living tissue..... You don't feel it...you're asleep

But still hurts to know your body is gnawing at your gym-work... damn my body, stop eating yourself!!!

 

[6_pak]

So if i made a 500ml shake up with my whey protein mix and skimmed milk this would work?

The milk would provide the carbs for it to absorb slowly?

If so this could sort out any worries i had as a i love milk!

let me know

Paul

Shake consisting of skim or regular milk throughout the day will be ok as it will be absorbed slowly. For pwo, it is my opinion that its not the best time to take milk with the shake. Two reason: lactose isnt the best sugar to replenish muscle gycogen, but it still will give you an insulin spike. Why not go with the best simple sugar- that being dextrose, to suffice your pwo needs. Second reason: Casean, milk protein, is a slow digesting protein, not ideal for pwo, as you want a fast absorbing protein source. Whey being the fastest. Mixing a fast digesting protein with a slow digesting protein will slow the absorbtion rate. Why do this, when you know whey/water/dex is the fastest digesting combo.
Like others have said if in fact you cant see a difference either way then go with what works.

 

[pintoca]

Shake consisting of skim or regular milk throughout the day will be ok as it will be absorbed slowly. For pwo, it is my opinion that its not the best time to take milk with the shake. Two reason: lactose isnt the best sugar to replenish muscle gycogen, but it still will give you an insulin spike. Why not go with the best simple sugar- that being dextrose, to suffice your pwo needs. Second reason: Casean, milk protein, is a slow digesting protein, not ideal for pwo, as you want a fast absorbing protein source. Whey being the fastest. Mixing a fast digesting protein with a slow digesting protein will slow the absorbtion rate. Why do this, when you know whey/water/dex is the fastest digesting combo.
Like others have said if in fact you cant see a difference either way then go with what works.

This exactly what I said, before my post was sliced & diced by Shadow...

I think one has to be very wary of Absolute truths and just simply listen to your body.

Studies are there to show you statistical data, but as with all statistical data, there is an error margin. At best, studies will tell you the starting point. From there on, you have to see what works best for you, based on your own experimentation.

As Shadow said, maybe using milk instead of water does not make a big difference in you... so go for mil if it tastes better, but do taste the other solution to really be able to tell whether there is a difference or not.

Pintoca

 

[The Shadow]

This exactly what I said, before my post was sliced & diced by Shadow...

I think one has to be very wary of Absolute truths and just simply listen to your body.

Studies are there to show you statistical data, but as with all statistical data, there is an error margin. At best, studies will tell you the starting point. From there on, you have to see what works best for you, based on your own experimentation.

As Shadow said, maybe using milk instead of water does not make a big difference in you... so go for mil if it tastes better, but do taste the other solution to really be able to tell whether there is a difference or not.

Pintoca

I agree 100% with the above.

 

[Paolo]

The top and bottom of it is this:

My PWO shake is made up of 40g whey and 70g of dextrose mixed with water.

All im after is a way where i can drink the whey without the dextrose and taht it wont absorb too quickly. At the moment its 4:30pm and i want to top up my protein, but its not that long since i ate and i dont fancy any more food!!

Whey is the only protein powder i have right now and i want to have a shake now to top up the protein in my body. If i mix the whey powder with skimmed milk will this be ok? will it absorb more slowly and see me thru the 2 hours til i next eat?

Let me know

Thanks

Paul

 

[The Shadow]

mixing with skim milk will not slow it down to what you need


add whole milk - FAT is what will slow carbs