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Difference on/off cycle??

Gorilla-Pharma

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I'm feeling weak bros....I'm wondering what your lift difference is on and off cycle. I'm off have been for 5 weeks getting ready to order Bloods next week currently 200lbs 5'9" 13ish%. I was 425lb on flat bench on and 375lbs off.....and a bitch of a struggle. What's your typical up and down weight swing, curiosity has me on this.
 
depends on what i ran, length of cycle, etc.

I'm off cycle right now and feel fantastic. am i setting PR's? no of course not. but I am making good progress.. when i look in the mirror i can see my 6 pack and I look solid.. it all boils down to having a great pct, great supps off cycle and killing it.. try changing your workouts up. tweaking your diet.. hell even changing gyms. a new environment with new people is fun
 
stevesmi said:
depends on what i ran, length of cycle, etc.

I'm off cycle right now and feel fantastic. am i setting PR's? no of course not. but I am making good progress.. when i look in the mirror i can see my 6 pack and I look solid.. it all boils down to having a great pct, great supps off cycle and killing it.. try changing your workouts up. tweaking your diet.. hell even changing gyms. a new environment with new people is fun
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That would be hard for me as I own a gym. Don't get me wrong I'm killing it compared to most my size and bigger..i would say. I'm talking about the initial drop in max weights and workouts.
 
Dont worry about the weight it will slowly pick up again. Give it more time.

Focus on you mind muscle connection during this time to collect on your gains then worry about making more gains in the next few weeks. Your body is still healing.
 
Depends on what I run really, but I have found with the right supps and a sarms stack for a bridge I can maintain most of my strength.

The exceptions are tren and beast, no supp is going to replace those strength gains. Tren is a total mind fuck for noobs who come off and lose 35 pounds in a week off their bench
 
Is there anything else going on? One rep maxes shouldnt be dramatic difference as thats CNS firing...working sets and volume I can see going down but not gigantic 1 RM decrease....

Ive been stronger off blasts (Im an HRT guy, prior to HRT never juiced) then on as far as 1 RMs. For me its all about sleep, recovery protocols (rolling, tissue work, stretch, active recovery, meditation, etc), and supplements. If I pound protein shakes, BCAAs in mega doses, and 20-30g fish oil daily,creatine and beta alanine, and keep sleep dialed in, I am not seeing a huge difference on or off blasts. When Im on I can just work out way more, lift more volume, do more MMA, conditioning, and keep recovering.
 
Really my one rep goes way down.. probably more so than a max for reps. The overall volume of course does as well.

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i stay pretty damn near close to on cycle in between cycles with sarms bro... its not quite the same but its damn good and the overall feeling is great... unless you want to cruise, otherwise that is what i would recommend... you definitely won't see much of a drop off...
 
My one rep max def goes down off cycle, to be honest even a little bit of water retention can increase strength so unless you're using completely dry gear or have your AI dosage perfect you'll always lose some poundage to that alone....
 
It's just reality that you won't be able to look or perform like you did on cycle. There are some wonderful things to take like SARMS and great supplements like Bridge, but being at normal hormone levels vs being at 10 times that is just no comparison.
 
RickRock13 said:
It's just reality that you won't be able to look or perform like you did on cycle. There are some wonderful things to take like SARMS and great supplements like Bridge, but being at normal hormone levels vs being at 10 times that is just no comparison.
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Very true and what I was looking for or getting at. But you and Dylan have it right on running Sarms and supplements like bridge on off cycle....something I have never done to the level that you guys on EF do and will try it out for myself.
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
I'm learning that and am old school even though only 31yrs young....and tren in last 4 cycles.
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you said in the other thread you don't run caber with tren. this is exactly your problem. your prolactin is elevated and that is making you feel like shit off cycle.

always cover all bases.

also stop running tren every cycle, its a horrible AAS for keeping gains... try running primo next time, you won't get the same results but you won't crash afterwards so much either
 
stevesmi said:
you said in the other thread you don't run caber with tren. this is exactly your problem. your prolactin is elevated and that is making you feel like shit off cycle.

always cover all bases.

also stop running tren every cycle, its a horrible AAS for keeping gains... try running primo next time, you won't get the same results but you won't crash afterwards so much either
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LOL.. Yes but I love the Tren my wife tells me the same thing in other aspects of my life...to change it up, so thats obviously a downfall for me. Maybe I will put off on my Tren, mast, Test prop cycle and do something different. I've ran primo but only for a bridge or cruise as it is. I did like the boast from that even at a mild once a week dose.
 
That happened to me previously in every cycle I have done, besides my last. I've been off my last for 3 months and keep making gains. I think previously it was more mental than anything because I had the feeling I need to be ON to making strength/aesthetic changes.
 
i wish i could run primo most of the time.. i am extremely sensitive to PIP so I have to steer clear of primo and most prop injections. it sucks. I tried every trick in the book to reduce PIP but unless you are like me and sensitive you wouldn't understand what i go through.. after injection I am on my knees in agony, and the soreness lasts 4 days in that muscle which is a major problem

those of you who can handle the painful primo injections take advantage, its an awesome AAS.. you won't deal with the ridiculous strength reversal after you run it either.. its slow and quality gains.
 
stevesmi said:
i wish i could run primo most of the time.. i am extremely sensitive to PIP so I have to steer clear of primo and most prop injections. it sucks. I tried every trick in the book to reduce PIP but unless you are like me and sensitive you wouldn't understand what i go through.. after injection I am on my knees in agony, and the soreness lasts 4 days in that muscle which is a major problem

those of you who can handle the painful primo injections take advantage, its an awesome AAS.. you won't deal with the ridiculous strength reversal after you run it either.. its slow and quality gains.
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That sucks my cousin is the same, big time agony pain on all prop injections. Me on the other hand am GTG and can pin in about any site with ease...Excluding the calf.
 
^^ do the primo 500-600 a week.

don't run prop test with it because the primo needs to be run 14-16 weeks. so thats a lot of injections with prop. (unless you love injections lol) i would run sustanon with it and inject 500mg sustanon every 8 days OR do cyp 200-300mg a week to reduce aromatization.. that would be an awesome cycle. by week 5-6 you will reach peak levels in both compounds and would get the best 8-10 weeks you have ever had with very little sides.

kickstart the cycle with an oral if you want the first 4 weeks. but be patient with this cycle and it will impress you. a lot of guys don't like primo because they don't blow up on it overnight, its a slow and quality builder. you won't notice day to day results on it..

keep your calories low on it the whole way ..
 
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Ya i knew the primo was on the lite side but concerning you benefit best running it out longer primo tends to hurt on the wallet. I don't know many options i would rather do a short 8 week cycle, thats why i was gonna run test p, mast p, and tren a, but who knows. I ordered bloods today...so that will tell me where i stand.
 
stevesmi said:
i wish i could run primo most of the time.. i am extremely sensitive to PIP so I have to steer clear of primo and most prop injections. it sucks. I tried every trick in the book to reduce PIP but unless you are like me and sensitive you wouldn't understand what i go through.. after injection I am on my knees in agony, and the soreness lasts 4 days in that muscle which is a major problem

those of you who can handle the painful primo injections take advantage, its an awesome AAS.. you won't deal with the ridiculous strength reversal after you run it either.. its slow and quality gains.
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I may have to try out Primo sometime. So far I haven't had any problems with PIP on anything, though I haven't ran some of the more painful AAS either
 
dylangemelli said:
i stay pretty damn near close to on cycle in between cycles with sarms bro... its not quite the same but its damn good and the overall feeling is great... unless you want to cruise, otherwise that is what i would recommend... you definitely won't see much of a drop off...
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But staying on SARMS will keep you from recovering. As long as you're on SARMS your HPTA will not bounce back.
 
Not true Nelson. I've taken several bloods while on and after SARMS cycles, and the supression that occurs is so mild it's nearly irrelevant. Running HCGenerate while on sarms, and a solid post cycle/unleashed and DAA pct afterwards will keep you in top form
 
bigbassturd said:
Not true Nelson. I've taken several bloods while on and after SARMS cycles, and the supression that occurs is so mild it's nearly irrelevant. Running HCGenerate while on sarms, and a solid post cycle/unleashed and DAA pct afterwards will keep you in top form
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Running HCGenerate is solid anytime...one of the BEST supplements I've added to my life.
 
bigbassturd said:
Not true Nelson. I've taken several bloods while on and after SARMS cycles, and the supression that occurs is so mild it's nearly irrelevant. Running HCGenerate while on sarms, and a solid post cycle/unleashed and DAA pct afterwards will keep you in top form
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That's certainly the way to do it. ANd yes, SARMS cycles aren;t suppressive. WHat I was saying is that if you go on SARMS and stay on SARMS after a suppressive cycle, you're not likely to fully recover as long as you stay on.
 
Nelson Montana said:
That's certainly the way to do it. ANd yes, SARMS cycles aren;t suppressive. WHat I was saying is that if you go on SARMS and stay on SARMS after a suppressive cycle, you're not likely to fully recover as long as you stay on.
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Oh, ok.

I agree, you MUST run a proper pct after any cycle before running SARMS. Otherwise you're basically just hopping from one compound to another on one long, rolker coaster cycle. Not good for your hpta at all

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bigbassturd said:
Oh, ok.

I agree, you MUST run a proper pct after any cycle before running SARMS. Otherwise you're basically just hopping from one compound to another on one long, rolker coaster cycle. Not good for your hpta at all

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I agree with the above but I ran a lil experiment on myself about a year ago and came off a 12 weeker right onto daa clomid hcgenerate s4 and ostarine. And 25mgs proviron, think I used post cycle too! After 8 weeks I had gained an additional 6 lbs, sex drive was way up and I carroed on with hcgenerate and daa for 3 more weeks then had bloods done. i had bloods come back slightly better than even before cycle... My nuts were real plump also. Not saying that the above is a smart move In fact it was selfish as I was not ready to stop gaining so I improvised but I turned out ok. Maybe my test would have been even higher had I omitted the sarms and proviron but I was havin fun
 
Rustilldown said:
I agree with the above but I ran a lil experiment on myself about a year ago and came off a 12 weeker right onto daa clomid hcgenerate s4 and ostarine. And 25mgs proviron, think I used post cycle too! After 8 weeks I had gained an additional 6 lbs, sex drive was way up and I carroed on with hcgenerate and daa for 3 more weeks then had bloods done. i had bloods come back slightly better than even before cycle... My nuts were real plump also. Not saying that the above is a smart move In fact it was selfish as I was not ready to stop gaining so I improvised but I turned out ok. Maybe my test would have been even higher had I omitted the sarms and proviron but I was havin fun
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Yeah bro, but do that several times, or when you're 38+ years old and see if you get the same results.

Gotta think about the future.

You and I can run HUGE cycles and damn near recover with GNC supps... but not everyone here is our age, and even if they were, the more you do shit like that, the sooner you're on TRT/HRT.

Fuck pinning for life

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bigbassturd said:
Yeah bro, but do that several times, or when you're 38+ years old and see if you get the same results.

Gotta think about the future.

You and I can run HUGE cycles and damn near recover with GNC supps... but not everyone here is our age, and even if they were, the more you do shit like that, the sooner you're on TRT/HRT.

Fuck pinning for life

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I don't disagree at all and the last thing I want is pinning for life I also want children ya know! I didn't mean for that to come across as a good idea to practise by any means I guess I was just sharing my experience. I haven't Done anything that careless before or since
 
I am pinning for life, but prior to HRT never touched juice in my life....and if I want kids the doc told me just to back off the Test or stop it for a while, and bump up HCG and maybe clomid/HMG...so I hope Im not screwed to make babies!

Anyway, this SARMS stuff sounds interesting....wondering if its worth checking out for in between blasts while im on HRT? My blasts so far have pretty much consisted of Mast and Primo, with a little Var.
 
Power36 said:
I am pinning for life, but prior to HRT never touched juice in my life....and if I want kids the doc told me just to back off the Test or stop it for a while, and bump up HCG and maybe clomid/HMG...so I hope Im not screwed to make babies!

Anyway, this SARMS stuff sounds interesting....wondering if its worth checking out for in between blasts while im on HRT? My blasts so far have pretty much consisted of Mast and Primo, with a little Var.
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I'm not on HRT and I am screwed or at least it cost me 20k upront for the initial chance. Steroids prior to no kids yes....did it cause it, or add to the cause????????? You may be good maybe not. won't know tell you try.
 
Nelson Montana said:
But staying on SARMS will keep you from recovering. As long as you're on SARMS your HPTA will not bounce back.
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I should have been more clear on this one... Ive had full recovery on a sarms bridge but ran proper supports and pct... I run STRONG pcts... With sarms i run hcgenerate alongside and then a mini pct of unleashed/post cycle and bridge (double dosed) and with that setup, recovery has been excellent...
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
^^^^^^
Ya i knew the primo was on the lite side but concerning you benefit best running it out longer primo tends to hurt on the wallet. I don't know many options i would rather do a short 8 week cycle, thats why i was gonna run test p, mast p, and tren a, but who knows. I ordered bloods today...so that will tell me where i stand.
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Test/mast/primo and anavar on the front and back will be fucking nice... Try pinning primo in your delts... If you can get a lower mg/ml then you can keep the PIP lower... It will be a fucking nice cycle... Of course, gear quality will have an effect on PIP as well...
 
you know what your doing... you will be fine bro... if you ever need anything, just let me know and i'll always do my best to help...
 
Dylan you don't know shit!


Haha nah, D is right, it's your body, your decision. All we can do is provide our own thoughts and try to help each other progress.

RADAR is damn near on social security and still cycling and not on HRT all thanks to proper pct. He's dreamy...
 
LMAO....

Everyone on this board are great with plenty of knowledge on do's and dont's. That's why I always share my Don't Do stories. No need for someone else to be or get careless with all this information.
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
LMAO....

Everyone on this board are great with plenty of knowledge on do's and dont's. That's why I always share my Don't Do stories. No need for someone else to be or get careless with all this information.
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We are all here to help, and we are all here to learn as well. Together, there is endless amounts of information we can all share with each other to make us all better. That is the great thing about this forum
 
I do not think any of the HRT docs I see are good or even know what "restarts" are...wondering if sometime next year I try to get off HRT, run some crazy sick long PCT as a "restart" and see what happens? Then if my T levels bounce back, keep getting my scripts, and just cycle on and off a few times a year, I would love it if I could run 2-3 cycles a year and not be pinning 24-7-365 forever....however, the way I felt before HRT was complete ass, so if its pinning and feeling good, or not pinning and feeling like dog feces, I guess Ill pin for life... And if I want to make babies and its not working, back off HRT or get off and hammer HCG, HMG, and Clomid (not sure on the clomid) in hopes of getting some swimmers to come back...
 
You may get swimmers back and not the test levels your looking for. As well though you may get the test levels or at least within reason and not the swimmers. May get both, I personally can't get the swimmers and know 100% but test levels I can get around 500.




Power36 said:
I do not think any of the HRT docs I see are good or even know what "restarts" are...wondering if sometime next year I try to get off HRT, run some crazy sick long PCT as a "restart" and see what happens? Then if my T levels bounce back, keep getting my scripts, and just cycle on and off a few times a year, I would love it if I could run 2-3 cycles a year and not be pinning 24-7-365 forever....however, the way I felt before HRT was complete ass, so if its pinning and feeling good, or not pinning and feeling like dog feces, I guess Ill pin for life... And if I want to make babies and its not working, back off HRT or get off and hammer HCG, HMG, and Clomid (not sure on the clomid) in hopes of getting some swimmers to come back...
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I guess I will see when the time comes....I wish you luck in working on getting it all squared away. Dr. Mariano near San Fran might be someone to check out....I think his website is called Definitive Mind....
 
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