Diet while on big bulking cycle

[FFQuads]

6:30 am –
6 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1/2 cup oatmeal, and one fruit

9 pm –
Meal Replacement shake, one fruit, and one tablespoon natural peanut butter

12 pm –
8 ounces lean meat, one cup green vegetable, and one cup brown rice

3 pm –
Two scoops whey protein, one ounce nuts, and one fruit

6 pm –
Two scoops whey protein with Gatorade and one ounce nuts

8 pm –
8 ounces lean meat, one cup green vegetable, and one cup brown rice

11 pm to 12 pm –
Bar and one fruit

Calories – About 4000
Grams Protein – About 350
Grams Carbohydrates – About 450
Grams Fat – About 120?? – I think

Cardio post 6:30 am meal for 60 minutes – 6 days a week
Weight training between 3 pm and 6 pm shakes – 5 days a week

What do ya'll think? Let me know what daily vitiams I should include. Keep in mind that I work as a Firefighter and have a very active job while on duty sometimes. Cheat meals??? How many??...when?? V - C, Liver D.....etc. Thanks!

 

[FFQuads]

Sorry - Stats. and pictures can be found on the first page in the Members Pics.

 

[FFQuads]

Bump....no one???

 

[jpt]

i think your drinking too many shakes....but your a firefighter so i imagine you need them on hand since you don't know your schedule ahead of time. otherwise looks pretty good.

i would take some multi-vitamin and vitamin c 500mg a day

 

[JKurz1]

not 4000 cals, unless you dont weigh your foods and that mrp is a bulker

 

[JKurz1]

11 pm to 12 pm –
Bar and one fruit


dump this and there is no such thing as too many shakes

 

[jpt]

i disagree...many different "meal replacement" powders and shakes, are sold as being a substitute for a real, whole food meal. The makers claim that they are just as good, if not better, than eating a real meal. However, they DON'T CONTAIN VITAL NUTRIENTS that are a "must-have" if you want to grow a healthy physique, such as vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, enzymes, etc. These shakes don't have any of those things.
On the contrary, whole foods are natural, they contain all of the vital nutrients that your body requires to get big and strong, Without a doubt, if you want to gain muscular weight, forget about the shakes and eat whole foods

 

[jpt]

one more thing, i'm not saying shakes are bad...all i'm saying is that i think if you have the choice btwn whole foods and shakes you go with the whole foods. only time i would opt for a shake is pwo.

 

[alex2678]

You look like you're a big guy already and I imagine you burn a ton of calories being a firefighter. The 60 minutes of cardio 6 days a week on a bulking diet is way too much. Even for cutting. I'd cut it back to 3 30 minute sessions per week just for cardiovascular purposes or to help with circulation. Don't waste those extra calories fueling a cardio workout when building lean muscle tissue is your main goal for now.

 

[JKurz1]

Many shakes now a days have 10x the nutrients as whole foods...just an fyi

 

[nikkita]

i disagree...many different "meal replacement" powders and shakes, are sold as being a substitute for a real, whole food meal. The makers claim that they are just as good, if not better, than eating a real meal. However, they DON'T CONTAIN VITAL NUTRIENTS that are a "must-have" if you want to grow a healthy physique, such as vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, enzymes, etc. These shakes don't have any of those things.
On the contrary, whole foods are natural, they contain all of the vital nutrients that your body requires to get big and strong, Without a doubt, if you want to gain muscular weight, forget about the shakes and eat whole foods

I agree with this comment, at least for the protein sources try to add as much whole foods as possible... you could add fish.

 

[JKurz1]

Dont get me wrong, I have many meals of real food, but when I'm rushed, nothing wrong with tossing in a blender, pb, oats, whey, milk, eggs....

 

[jpt]

no, i know that alot of shakes these days have alot more nutrients then they used to...but natural whole foods are not broken down and micronized and preserved etc etc....that's all i'm saying. in the words of legendary ron burgandy...agree to disagree

 

[alex2678]

in the words of legendary ron burgandy...agree to disagree

Or

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds...Burgundy&quote=yourself.txt&file=yourself.mp3

 

[jpt]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! Awesome!!

 

[FFQuads]

You look like you're a big guy already and I imagine you burn a ton of calories being a firefighter. The 60 minutes of cardio 6 days a week on a bulking diet is way too much. Even for cutting. I'd cut it back to 3 30 minute sessions per week just for cardiovascular purposes or to help with circulation. Don't waste those extra calories fueling a cardio workout when building lean muscle tissue is your main goal for now.

Sure, but I just don't want to get to fat. Last time I went from 200 lbs. to 235 lbs. and could not even tie my shoes. I'm trying to stay on the lean side??? - If I even have one....If I cut it back to 30 min. 3x a week what type of cardio do you think would be best??

 

[JKurz1]

IMHO do one or the other...either bulk or cut.......I'm learning now (the hard way) that when you want to put on size and mass, the only cardio you need is a walk to the fridge and to get the remote....

 

[alex2678]

Coming from someone with THE worst genetics with regards to clean bulking lol, it's almost impossible for me to stay lean when I go for size as well. I'll keep my calories high for as long as it takes to put on some noticable muscle and some fat. Then I'll decrease the calories for a few weeks to lose the gained fat while still training for stength in the 5-8 rep range. For me, keeping my calories in a surplus for more than 6-8 weeks I start gaining more fat than muscle. Those little mini bulks and mini cuts are a godsend for those genetically prone to fat storage.

The aerobics don't have to be intense. But you could do HITT for 20 minutes 3 times a week if you want. Some walking or light jogging/eliptical machine work is fine. Primarily to improve cardiovascular conditioning for heavy weight workouts. But not totally necessary during a bulk.

 

[JKurz1]

I do 30 minutes incline walk MAYBE 2x week for heart purposes, but then I eat to compensate!

 

[FFQuads]

IMHO do one or the other...either bulk or cut.......I'm learning now (the hard way) that when you want to put on size and mass, the only cardio you need is a walk to the fridge and to get the remote....

I can put 50 lbs. on in 6 weeks with no problem. I'm just worried it might be a bit much and the wrong kind. My diet is good but I can just put size on like crazzzzyy.

 

[FFQuads]

Point taken...I will drop some cardio and keep my fingers crossed. Maybe 20 in the am and another 20 in the pm??? Those pictures you see are a bit old. About 45 day or so.....My weight is around 182-185 lbs. but I can't see a bit of difference??? I have lost over 25 lbs. but look the same??? What a freak! (IF) I cut again there will be lots of juice on board! It just pissed me off that I can loose and shit load of weight but look the same. I will post new pictures Sept. 1st before I start my candy. They might look the same.......(starts to cry in a river of my own piss and shit)...LOL

 

[FFQuads]

Allllllllllll420....you there

 

[al420]

Yep - and I think the pic differences are noticable - post them up and let the vultures at ya!

He is not lying though - he can add and drop wieght like no bodys business - strong as an Ox and dumb as a post.

 

[al420]

i disagree...many different "meal replacement" powders and shakes, are sold as being a substitute for a real, whole food meal. The makers claim that they are just as good, if not better, than eating a real meal. However, they DON'T CONTAIN VITAL NUTRIENTS that are a "must-have" if you want to grow a healthy physique, such as vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, enzymes, etc. These shakes don't have any of those things.
On the contrary, whole foods are natural, they contain all of the vital nutrients that your body requires to get big and strong, Without a doubt, if you want to gain muscular weight, forget about the shakes and eat whole foods

While I agree for the likes of EAS or other MRP I think a lot of people mix their own shakes up. So, if I put raw oats, a full banana, 3 egg whites, and some whey how is that not a "real meal" ....it has eggs and oats and a piece of fruit - seems great to me.

Thoughts?

 

[FFQuads]

Yep - and I think the pic differences are noticable - post them up and let the vultures at ya!

He is not lying though - he can add and drop wieght like no bodys business - strong as an Ox and dumb as a post.

No, I will not post them. They are stupid and DO look the same. I think that might be my new handle (Stong as Ox and dumb as post) - It has a ring to it......thanks ass hole.......Did I mis-spell anyting...boy, I hape not...I sure wood feal stupid....lol

 

[jpt]

yes, very true. but it sounds like ffquads won't have time for that b/c of his job. i assume he's talking about rtd's...

 

[FFQuads]

While I agree for the likes of EAS or other MRP I think a lot of people mix their own shakes up. So, if I put raw oats, a full banana, 3 egg whites, and some whey how is that not a "real meal" ....it has eggs and oats and a piece of fruit - seems great to me.

Thoughts?

I like it. I will be changing mid morning shake to this but the eggs are raw. Anyone know if that's bad or unsafe? Sure is alot of fucked up chickens runnin' around....

 

[alex2678]

I used to throw in raw eggs a lot and never got sick. The chances are very low. (I know my doctor went nuts when I told him I did this. ) Could lead to a biotin deficiency if it's done in excess but I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[al420]

On the eggs - you have to make sure they are pasturized

 

[FFQuads]

On the eggs - you have to make sure they are pasturized

So, if I take the eggs and threw it in a pasture would that make it ok to drink? lol

 

[al420]

Yes - that is exactly what I meant

 

[dline]

how do pasturized eggs differ with salmonella and not possibly getting sick?