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Diet/Training Critique, please!

artrius

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Hi,

I'm sort of new on the boards here…

I’m trying to optimize my diet to allow for maximum fat loss here. Please critique and pick apart my diet/training routine as you see fit (or tear it to shreds). My diet is probably going to seem a little odd, especially with the cereal, but that’s because I’m in the navy and get that food from the galley. I am forced to pay for the galley (I can’t get out of it) and I have to get as much food from there as I possibly can, since I can’t afford to buy all my food AND pay for the galley.

Goals: Reach 8% bodyfat while retaining as much LBM as humanly possible

Stats: 21 y/o, 5’10.5”, 235 lbs, ~17-18% bf, been lifting hardcore for over 3 years

Training:
Cardio: 4-6 days per week, 40 min on elliptical machine (heart rate reaches 160 bpm), occasional mandatory run. Abs are worked daily right before cardio (mostly situps and crunches, but I do hit weighted ab training once a week). Cardio is done after my first protein shake of the day at about 5:00 am.
Lifting: 5 days per week, no longer than 1 hour. I never lift more than 3 consecutive days without one day off. I also never take more than 1 day off consecutively. Normal lifting time is about 17:00. Also, I just started using a during workout drink: I’m currently switching between Xtreme Formulations’ Vendetta and VPX’s Hydroforce (using one of either per lifting session). Both have 20-30g carbs.
Day 1: chest
Day 2: Back
Day 3: shoulders
Day 4: arms
Day 5: legs

Typical diet goes as follows:
4:20 – (pre-cardio) ISS micellar matrix shake (mixed with water, creatine, 1 tsp psyllium husk, 1/3 tbsp flaxseed oil)
6:30 – scrambled eggs, 3 strips of bacon, bowl of complete cereal
9:00 – 4 chicken tenderloin strips, single serving box of cheerios
10:55– hardboiled egg, single serving box of cheerios
12:00 – spinach salad (with ¼ cup fiber one, 1 hardboiled egg, cucumbers, meat, no salad dressing), 4 chicken tenderloin strips
15:00 – apple, 4 chicken tenderloin strips
16:45 – (pre-workout meal) apple, BSN lean dessert protein shake (mixed with water, creatine & 1/3 tbsp flaxseed oil)
18:15 – (post-workout meal) 1 can tuna (water based) w/ fat free mayo, 2 slices lite wheat
19:15 – tuna spinach salad (with 1 can tuna, ¼ cup fiber one, 1 hardboiled egg, cucumbers, no salad dressing)
20:15 – Designer whey’s Glycerlean protein (1.25 scoops of the powder mixed with water, creatine & 1/3 tbsp flaxseed oil)

Total calories ~ approx. 2600-2700
Protein ~ approx. 250-290g
Carbs ~ approx. 190-220g (not including approx 30g fiber from cereals & psyllium husk)
Fat ~ approx 60-80g

Supplements:
Protein powder, Creatine, psyllium husk, flaxseed oil, multivitamin
Recently started: 5 mg methyldienolone, ephedra free hydroxycut (9x), milk thistle

Water intake is around ¾ gallon to 1 gallon per day, sometimes more, sometimes less.

I’m checking out different kinds and flavors of protein powder; that’s why I’m using 3 different kinds. All three are low/very low carb, very low fat powders.

As a side note, this diet plan has been changing for a while and has evolved into this. I had been consuming far less calories, ranging from 1800-2200 per day, but that is supposedly too little for a person my size. I know I should chunk the cheerios, but I’m not sure what would be better to put there (from my selection of foods at the galley, that is). As for sleep, I get 7-8 hours, depending on how fast I fall asleep.

Please give me any feedback you can. Thanks!
 
I'm seeing on the boards here that creatine is no good for fat loss, so I'll try dropping that and see what happens.

Is my calorie intake too high? Its around 11-12x my bodyweight.
 
WOW. Of the thousands of people on this board, NO ONE has any opinion either way about my diet/training? Not even if my diet/training is total crap?

Anyone? Anyone? Buhler? Buhler?
 
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Ok, I've changed a couple of things... I'm lowering my carbs a little bit by removing the milk and the cheerios, and taking the complete cereal and eating that later @ 9:00 with my chicken and @ 11:00 with my egg. That brings my carbs down to around 175 or so, and calories to the 2400-2500 range.

Any thoughts on my diet would be appreciated....
 
Looks like you're finding out information by yourself by browsing the boards. ;) I'd say get rid of the bacon and cereal and replace with oatmeal and cottage cheese if you're looking to lose fat. Also, get rid of the Flax seed oil prior to working out.

Otherwise, your p/c/f percentages look good.
 
I got rid of the cheerios (i guess you could call them gluc-Os ;) ), but I was opting to keep the complete in because it has a pretty high fiber content (5g fiber per serving) and TONS of vitamins/minerals. I'm not a big oatmeal fan, especially since the stuff they serve at my galley is the quaker instant stuff... I'm assuming that the quaker instant stuff wouldn't be much better than my complete. With this in mind, what do you think would be better?
 
i've been seeing things on steel cut oats... I'm guessing those would be best?

I tend to forget, since it isn't a part of my normal diet, but I sometimes go out and buy some keto hot cereal, which has 17g protein, 12g carb (9g fiber), and 4g fat. How do the steel cut oats compare? (by the way, I could live off the keto hot cereal... banana nut is soooo good... :p )
 
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I have sadly dropped the bacon... :bawling:

What kind of general thumbrule do you follow for estimating BMR? Like bodyweight*15 or so. What range do you find best to keep that multiplier in?
 
I've been reading a bit about thermorexin & Yohimburn ES... I was thinking of replacing the hydroxycut with those, as I don't see this board raging about hydroxycut...I don't know, is it really that great?

How well does it compare to products like liquid clenbutrx or ephedrine free hydroxycut? Or ECA stacks in general? If it isn't better than an ECA stack, I won't even bother. I'm EXTREMELY resistant to stimulants these days, it seems.
 
hey,
don't really know too much about the diet, but just saw your thread and f%$k me your working hard and up early. i thought i had it hard with my new job getting up at 5.30. anyway keep up the good work and happy training
 
Hey thanks, man! Hard work on your body sometimes seems to be a thankless job, but I know I'll get my reward and reach my goal sooner or later. It aint always easy, but it isn't bad once you get used to it. The hardest part was getting past making excuses and just doing it.

Anyways, I appreciate the comment! :)
 
Get rid of cereals and milk. Eat protein and carb meals together and protein and fat meals together. Do not mix protein+carb meals with fat. Your after workout meal sucks. 2 scoops of whey with dextrose would be optimal. When doing long spurts of cardio eat a protein+fat meal after. When doing HITT (interval training) eat a protein+carb meal after. I like the training split. I would nix the protein shake before the cardio and instead do it on an empty stomach (40-45 min at low to mod intensity). If you eat before you train it will just be used as energy and the fat burning process will take longer. Good luck.
 
Yeah...I'd change up the post-workout meal and the pre-workout meal. Put the shake after the workout, and a real meal before. Otherwise, looks good bro.
 
I've already ditched the milk totally, and killed the cheerios. Here's more accurately what it looks like now:

4:30 protein shake (water, 5ml flax)
6:30 scrambled eggs
9:00 4 strips Chicken, box of complete
10:45 egg, box of complete
12:00 spinach salad, Chicken (t)
14:45 4 strips Chicken, apple
16:45 protein shake (water, 5ml flax, psyllium husk), apple
Workout drink: Vendetta or Hydro Force
18:15 Tuna w/ ff mayo, lite bread
19:15 tuna spinach salad
20:15 protein shake (water, 5ml flax, psyllium husk)

So you think I should just switch my 16:45 & 18:15 meals? I think I can live with that. I'd rather not kill the complete cereal, as it has a lot of fiber and tons of vitamins.

With the workout shake, my carbs are about 175g. Without, carbs are about 150g.

I throw the flax in with my protein shake and eat an apple as my current pre workout meal. Should I eliminate the flax? I need some carbs before my workout. If I switch the shake to after, I DEFINANTLY need the carbs from the apple then. If I shouldn't have the flax in this meal as such, when do you think I should move it to?

Also, why is tuna on lite bread a bad post workout meal? I get some fast absorbing carbs along with lots of protein... ok, maybe its not quite enough carbs, but that's why I have the during workout shake...
 
heyb atrius yomiburn is really good stuff. look into it.
 
NoPainNoGain said:
Do you still include the creatine in your diet?

Nope, I canned the creatine a while ago. I haven't seen much of a difference from not having it either way, actually.
 
Your BMR is the number of calories you'd burn over 24 hours while lying down but not sleeping. Your actual metabolic rate is estimated by adding the caloric cost of all the activities you engage in throughout the day to your BMR.

Men's BMR = 1 X Body weight (kg) X 24
 
I think your cals are way too low. and have way too much cardio.
are you moving around alot during the day? it would seem to me that your fairly active I'd shoot for at least 3000cals.
other wise your just going to start wasting, IMO, unless your on some serious supp regime

just using my self as an example:
I have about the same stats as you except i'm 6' (when i started dieting 235 down to about 216 now), endo / meso, and i have yet to drop my cals below 3200, I'm fairly sedentary, sitting around alot. and I havent started cardio yet. next week :evil:
 
well, I've just recently (a couple of days ago) bumped my cals up to 2800. Also, I've dropped down to 3-4x days of cardio a week. As for activity levels, I'm currently a student, so I'm pretty much inactive other than cardio and lifting. I've been trying (with some success) to lose bodyfat for a long time, but right now, I'm rather frustrated with the results and I want to gain some serious mass.

I'm going to be moving towards 3500 cals. Once I get there, I'll see how it goes and play it by ear. Gonna have to take it slow on the way up, I don't want to get too fat on the way there.
 
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