diet question

[Sub-Zero]

so when iv been bmoving lately they have been really big and tore me up. this past one was too much for me and i had to squeeze it back in cause it hurt so bad.


i havnt been eating as many veggies and fruits as i probably should- i used to eat alot of fruits, but im scared cause fruits have sugar and i dont wanna be a big fatty. should i try eating more vegies and see if that helps?

 

[chewyxrage]

take metamucil or some fiber supplement. Lots of veggies are good but to make sure you have a enough fiber buy something

 

[LoneTree]

so when iv been bmoving lately they have been really big and tore me up. this past one was too much for me and i had to squeeze it back in cause it hurt so bad.


i havnt been eating as many veggies and fruits as i probably should- i used to eat alot of fruits, but im scared cause fruits have sugar and i dont wanna be a big fatty. should i try eating more vegies and see if that helps?

Eat fruit.
They have very few calories.
Trust me. I have a sweet tooth. I eat a lot of fruits.
Without fruits, I would be a fatso.
What really matters is the calories.
It's calories, calories, calories. Period.

 

[string_bean00]

this past one was too much for me and i had to squeeze it back in cause it hurt so bad.

Pussy.

 

[HardHat87]

Pussy.

lol

 

[Sub-Zero]

Pussy.

sorry, im not used to large objects tearing through my sphincter.

perhaps you could give me a few relaxation suggestions





-thanks for the help guys, ill talk to my mom about it over dinner

 

[The Shadow]

Calories are NOT calories.....


by your analogy then 2000 calories from fat has the same effect on the body as 2000 cals from celery.......

 

[jenscats5]

Sounds like you need more fiber Zimey......... eat a can of baked beans....

 

[LoneTree]

Calories are NOT calories.....


by your analogy then 2000 calories from fat has the same effect on the body as 2000 cals from celery.......

There would be other health benefits from celery.
But when it comes to weight, there would be very little difference.
Atkin's diet is high fat diet (bad for your health, although you may lose weight).

 

[Sub-Zero]

Sounds like you need more fiber Zimey......... eat a can of baked beans....

i dont care for beans

 

[Sub-Zero]

There would be other health benefits from celery.
But when it comes to weight, there would be very little difference.
Atkin's diet is high fat diet (bad for your health, although you may lose weight).

isnt that cause you go ento ketosis and end up burning fats for energy tho? i think its diff

 

[The Shadow]

There would be other health benefits from celery.
But when it comes to weight, there would be very little difference.
Atkin's diet is high fat diet (bad for your health, although you may lose weight).

you make the most fucked up generalizing statements.....

you said cals or cals...I hope you know better.

 

[jenscats5]

i dont care for beans

You need the fiber......eat it anyway....

 

[CFZB]

Screw metamucil...

http://citrucel.com/citrucel_faq.aspx

 

[LoneTree]

you make the most fucked up generalizing statements.....

you said cals or cals...I hope you know better.

Please do not disagree in such strong words.
I stand behind what I said.

What specific knowledge do you have to disagree with me?

On the day that you eat more calories than you burn, your body saves those excess calories in a savings account called 'fat', so that it can use it on a rainy day when you will not get enough calories.
On a day when you don't eat enough calories (eg diet), your body dips into that saving account (fat) to get calories to make up the difference.
When you exercise, you burn calories.
That is 90% of weight loss and weight gain.

I know all the bullshit around about weight loss.
Just like you see pills advertised on TV to enlarge penis.

 

[The Shadow]

Please do not disagree in such strong words.
I stand behind what I said.

What specific knowledge do you have to disagree with me?

Ok...heres one:


The body cannot burn bodyfat with elevated insulin levels.


^^Thats a fact..


so...2000 cals of hogh GI carbs will greatly inpact blood sugar response, making it impossible to burn bodyfat during those spikes in insulin.


Protein, for example does not have this drastic of an effect.

SO...cals are not cals from a body performance, weight loss aspect.



If all cals are equal...explain why Americans ate a record low %age of fat in the diet last year and a high %age of carbs...yest obesity is at an all time high?

 

[The Shadow]

Another reason is the themic effect of food as it applies to individual macro groups.


why are lower carb/moderate fat/ moderatre protein diest so much more effective than high carb diets for losing weight when on isocaloric intakes?

 

[jerseyart]

Ok...heres one:


The body cannot burn bodyfat with elevated insulin levels.


^^Thats a fact..


so...2000 cals of hogh GI carbs will greatly inpact blood sugar response, making it impossible to burn bodyfat during those spikes in insulin.


Protein, for example does not have this drastic of an effect.

SO...cals are not cals from a body performance, weight loss aspect.



If all cals are equal...explain why Americans ate a record low %age of fat in the diet last year and a high %age of carbs...yest obesity is at an all time high?

You're right of course, all calories are not equal.

But linking it to obesity is an post hoc ergo procter hoc argument. One doesnt necessarily follow the other

 

[The Shadow]

You're right of course, all calories are not equal.

But linking it to obesity is an post hoc ergo procter hoc argument. One doesnt necessarily follow the other

How isnt it...there are massive studies that specifically show that greater carb intakes lead to over ranging insulion release which specifically blunts any fat loss as long as blood sugar is elevated. That means that even on a less than maintenance cals...bodyfat cannot be burned.....


that is a pretty much accepted fact.

 

[CFZB]

How isnt it...there are massive studies that specifically show that greater carb intakes lead to over ranging insulion release which specifically blunts any fat loss as long as blood sugar is elevated. That means that even on a less than maintenance cals...bodyfat cannot be burned.....


that is a pretty much accepted fact.

Its also the kind of carbs....Specific to the "Western" diet ...over processed ,bleached ect.

 

[jerseyart]

How isnt it...there are massive studies that specifically show that greater carb intakes lead to over ranging insulion release which specifically blunts any fat loss as long as blood sugar is elevated. That means that even on a less than maintenance cals...bodyfat cannot be burned.....


that is a pretty much accepted fact.

You're correct about the calories.

But linking a rise in American obesity to the change in types of calories consumed definitively rejects all other factors such as exercise whcih could also explain the phenomena.

Even economic perfromance can be tied to fluctuations in obesity among the population, as well as efforts at health awareness. Look at those cities who successfully campaigned to llower their rating as Americas most obese cities.

 

[JayC9]

Prune juice.....drink lots and wait for the world to fall out of your arse.

 

[jerseyart]

Shadow

In point of fact his use of the Atkins Diet to evidence his point only proves yours.

It works precisely because the type of calories consumed (fat/proteins) in essence starve the body and cause it to draw on fat reserves.

 

[LoneTree]

Most standard, established diets (including University diets) are high in complex carbohydrates.
The same is true about NIH guidelines.
All that mumbo-jumbo was created by Dr. Atkins.
The whole medical community have always opposed Dr. Atkins woodoo that had no scientific basis.
Thank god that is over and now people are back to eating sensible diets.
Thermal effect of food has very little practical effect.

All that has been discussed in 'Reno Diet-Heart Study: Obesity Assessment: Tools, Methods, and Interpretations' from University of Navada School of Medicine, Reno. It is available on Amazon.com.

 

[The Shadow]

Most standard, established diets (including University diets) are high in complex carbohydrates.
The same is true about NIH guidelines.
All that mumbo-jumbo was created by Dr. Atkins.
The whole medical community have always opposed Dr. Atkins woodoo that had no scientific basis.
Thank god that is over and now people are back to eating sensible diets.
Thermal effect of food has very little practical effect.

All that has been discussed in 'Reno Diet-Heart Study: Obesity Assessment: Tools, Methods, and Interpretations' from University of Navada School of Medicine, Reno. It is available on Amazon.com.

you didnt specifically address any of my examples...

you keep referring back to an Atkins dies whcih I have never mentioned in this thread...


biologically, there is NO need for carbs in the diet...thers is no such thing as an "essential" carbohydrate......the body can cleave a nitrogen group for a protein and covert it to sugar via gluconeogenesis...if you eat an atkins type macro diet but get your fats form healthy sources...there really are NO health issues with a low carb diet