Diet Q's for Par Deus

[Blood&Iron]

I'm about to start dieting once again and am still unsure which approach to take. The thought of doing a CKD brings tears to my eyes, but I'm still not sure about the whole isocaloric diet + refeed days concept. It was my, perhaps mistaken, notion that ketosis was inherently better at preserving lean mass than a normal diet because bodyfat is used preferentially as a fuel-source instead of muscle. Is this not the case? Is the primary reason a CKD works because the carb-up keeps leptin levels high, and not because of any advantage conferred by ketosis?

Thanks for any help.

 

[My End Over Mad her]

I also have a question for Mr. Par Deus
and since there is a thread up I'll just
add to it. I was wondering if when
on a bulking diet, is there like a "starve" day
kind of like the opposite of a refeed day on
a cutting diet? In order to manipulate
leptins levels for any reason? I was just thinking
that maybe every 2 weeks or something I
should cut down on food intake for a day
cuz sometimes it would just feel right but,
maybe I am wrong. Don't know that's why
I am asking, and especially considering I
am not too sure what exactly the purpose
of leptin is. (excuse my ignorance)

 

[riskybizz007]

Popular guy ParDeus, i have one for you too. How many days do you go for a refead? 3? And is it an entire refeed day or just 1 meal?

thanks in advance

 

[foreverblast2]

yeah, and how come the ONE isnt' available yet! tee hee

john

 

[Hoffmeister]

Hmmm. Not Par Deus, and hopefully he'll answer, and correct any mistakes I make

It was my, perhaps mistaken, notion that ketosis was inherently better at preserving lean mass than a normal diet because bodyfat is used preferentially as a fuel-source instead of muscle. Is this not the case?

From my recollection on posts by Lyle, Elzi, Par Deus, etc, I think ketogenic diets MAY have a SLIGHT benefit as far as preserving lean mass, but overall probably not enough to worry about.

I think there is like a 2 week period while the body adjusts to ketosis where ketones are used for fuel. After that, FFA's are used, except for the brain.

I believe Lyle reversed some of his thinking on this after looking again at the studies he quoted in his book. The studies used near-starvation level calorie intake. I think Lyle has stated since that, given adequate protein intake, ketogenic diets aren't really any better than any other.

Is the primary reason a CKD works because the carb-up keeps leptin levels high, and not because of any advantage conferred by ketosis?

Again, based on postings from Lyle, etc., that seems to be the current belief.

How many days do you go for a refead? 3? And is it an entire refeed day or just 1 meal?

I think the limit may be 2 days. Again, if I remember correctly, Par Deus has stated that it takes the body 24-36 hours to actually begin converting carbs to bodyfat. Which is why the refeed needs to be high-carbs and low/no-fat. Fat eaten during a refeed WILL be stored as bodyfat. As you get leaner, the refeeds may need to become more frequent, but not longer.

 

[riskybizz007]

So on refeed day, which would be after 2 days of diet, you would go high carbs and high protein w/ minimal fat correct? Just wondering on the refeed would you go for just 1 meal or the whole day refeed? And how much do you cut calories on the diet day?

 

[rez]

SO I GUESS i got it totally wrong..

yesterday was my 'refeed' and i did a 33%p,c and f. If you just eat clean carbs on refeed how much and what time of protein should you have?

 

[HarmsWayBC]

Rez,

On the refeed, most of the carbs you eat early in the day or early in the refeed period should be simple carbs, like white pasta, regular pancakes with syrup ect.....

The presence of glucose and the metabolism of glucose is what regulates leptin primarliy, and simple carbs will provide the body with a large amount of glucose quicker and more effectively, thus raises leptin levels more efficiently....I am fairly sure that this is what Par Deus has said and written on his website......

go to www.avantlabs.com and check out issue #3 just to make sure....

 

[Par Deus]

Those who have answered in my steed are pretty much correct.

Refeeds should be at least 6-8 hours in length, primarily non-fructose carbohydrates. 20-50% above maintenece.

Starvation days are not advisable on a bulking phase, but a few days of moderate dieting here and there will minimize overall fat gain.

If you have not read my article, do so, as it addresses most of this stuff:

http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

 

[riskybizz007]

Par Deus, that's a great intro. I can't wait till the next articles. I need input!