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Diet and As?

Mr.White

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Is taking Dbol by itself a good idea while on a diet?

I guess I am really curious wether I will get a better use for it if I wait until the bulk up phase. Right now I am 2 weeks into this strict diet and have shed 12lbs and am not liking the non-mass feeling. So if I take some AS and still remain on this diet will it help out or do more harm then good. Im 5'11 and weigh 207 now. And im finally seeing what muscle I really have, compared to the celltech and water weight body I had. My goal is to look cut but cut with mass. I couldnt imagine being 170-180 again.
 
I would seriously consider checking out swolecats site and checking out one of his programs - you wont be disapointed - you can actually cut fat while putting on LBM. Ive been on for 4 weeks now and have gotten great results
 
you can cut on dbol. probably not the best choice due to the water, but with some ldex and a good diet your in business.
foo
 
I'm curious on how to lose BF and still gain LBM too, I've been looking for a diet that would promote that and haven't the right one yet.....what's swolecats site?
 
D-Bol makes you bloat. You could take it and use a good anit-e w/ it. Like .5mg Liquidex. I guess you could even bump up the liquidex. You wont get the typical d-bol results but..You will get good muscle out of it. Prob w/ d-bol is that you tend to loose a good amount after all is said and done when you take it by your self.
 
here's the site info:

www.swolecat.com - then into forums

And yes - you can make some awesome LBM gains while cutting fat and getting ripped !!!! its all about the diet and program - AS will also give you a big boost on one of his programs as well - there are a few doing that now. check it out
 
people

can use dam near anything to cut or build mass. Its all about diet. AS will help you not lose any muscle getting down in bodyfat real quick.

Sometimes, like in the diet you mentioned where it is very strict and maybe very low cal, AS will help you not lose any LBM while shedding fat real fast.

Go to the diet section of this board and you will find all the info you need to get your diet right. The same results could be achieved natural. I mean you could diet down natural and not lose muscle, but it would take twice as long from my personal experience. You simply will not be able to cut calories as low sas you can when on AS and not lose muscle, not to mention the nutrient partioning effects of AS.
 
chanmanfoo said:
you can cut on dbol. probably not the best choice due to the water, but with some ldex and a good diet your in business.
foo
This is what I was going to say. Dianabol probably isn't the best choice due to the water retention, but it will definitely help retain muscle on a calorie restricted diet.
 
It is very possible to add LBM and lose body fat at the same time, but in order to do so, one must pay particular attention to both diet and choice of chemistry. All too often you'll see bodybuilders bloat up like pigs in the offseason, gaining significant amounts of fat along with their new muscle.

It is somewhat problematic to make wide sweeping generalizations regarding how to do so, given that every individual is different. For example, many bodybuilders are carbohydrate sensitive, which causes them to carry significant amounts of fat and water, so their diet should necessarily be low in carbs. On the flip side of that coin, I've seen bodybuilders eat like total pigs and while gaining muscle and losing fat. However, there are some general guidelines you can follow.

Carefully choose your chemistry

One of the common mistakes I see people make is choosing highly anabolic but weakly androgenic steroids when attempting to both gain muscle and lose fat. While a cycle of anavar and winstrol may be quite effective for a steroid neophyte, once you have a few cycles under you belt and have added a significant amount of muscle beyond that which you would naturally carry, these cycles are going to result in less than stellar results. You're much better off using steroids that are both highly anabolic and highly androgenic, WHILE USING THE PROPER ANCILLARY MEDICATIONS to reduce the production of the various female hormones

Tren is your friend

I don't care whether your attempting a mondo bulk cycle or in pre-contest mode, trenbolone should ALWAYS be a part of your cycle. Why? Because trenbolone is incredibly anabolic and androgenic, yet does not aromatize at any dose. Trenbolone can have some progesterone-like side effects, but these are only an issue immediately before a show.

Accessory meds are a must!

Given that it's possible to both gain LBM and lose fat at the same time, it make perfect sense that one should always try to do so. The old approach of bulking then cutting is basically a two steps forward for every one step back technique. However, one must pay particular attention to the use of accessory drugs in order to cycle properly. There's no point in attempting to lose fat and gain LBM on a cycle if you're not aware of the effect these drugs are having on the production of female hormones. Generally speaking, the drugs that have the most profound effect on female hormone production are also those that are most effective when attempting to gain mass. However, production of estrogen, progesterone, or prolactin is counter to your goals of losing fat. That's the beauty of drugs like arimidex, bromocriptine, and nolvadex. You're certainly going to make much more significant gains in LBM when cycling test, methandrostenolone, and fina than you are if you're using anavar and deca. However, you'll also realize much more significant loss of adipose tissue on the former cycle IF YOU SUPPRESS FEMALE HORMONE PRODUCTION! Why? Several reasons, but the most important is that the first cycle is simply much more powerful than the second, and consequently your body will be in a more anabolic state. Combined with proper diet and training, putting your body in a highly anabolic state will result in a positive effect on nutrient partioning, allowing you to build muscle and lose fat at an astounding pace.
 
Excellent post Jason!! Thats exactly what I was looking for. I just want the most out of every thing. Hate working my ass off in the Gym then seeing nothing. Thanks again guys..

I think this is the part where i shoot ya some KARMA!
 
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