do you guys think it's impossible to gain muscle and stay lean naturally? damn...i was 6 foot, 215 lean natural before i touched shit, and was a hell of a lot bigger than stallone at his biggest, and just as lean. and i'm nothing special. just 7 years of natural base through puberty will do it for anyone. stallone is fucking small!!! jesus, are half the guys on this board like 6 foot 150 or something? roids helped me go from roughly 220 to 240....that's it! i got 17 1/4 inches on my arms natural, then roids gave me 18 1/2 - so far. i got my bench to 405 natural, then roids gave me 445. etc. hard work fellas. that's all it takes.