Did Hell Freeze Over????

[WODIN]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Democratic lawmaker said Sunday he will introduce a bill in the next session of Congress to make military service mandatory.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-New York, said such legislation could make members of Congress more reluctant to authorize military action.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

What the fuck is our goverment doing? Pulling idea's out of their asses? That is one of the stupidest legislative bill's I have ever heard of!

 

[WODIN]

I just think it is hillarious that a Dem. from NY would be introducing this idea.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

I just think it is hillarious that a Dem. from NY would be introducing this idea.

True... But his reasons are all jacked up too...
ok, lets make everyone have mandatory service.. that makes it to where all the senator's son's and daughters are in the service (if they have son's/daughter's around 18), but your also putting every other single person in there, what about the people that would be going strait to college and could become doctors, programmers, or businessmen/women...

 

[curling]

Wodin,

I figure I will only get a straight answer from you (havoc you certainly don't get one) Was all that mod stuff just a bunch of bs from Havoc or was it legit.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

This is fucking hilarious. It won't happen though.

 

[WODIN]

It was all Bs curling.

Here is how it works. If GS wants you to be a mod he will send you an email out of the blue.

 

[curling]

Thanks dude. I knew I could get a straight answer from you. And may havoc pull some muscle that will keep him out of the gym he is a 90 pound weakling.

 

[Lumberg]

Wodin,

I figure I will only get a straight answer from you (havoc you certainly don't get one) Was all that mod stuff just a bunch of bs from Havoc or was it legit.

Geezus your B.S. detector must be seriously malfunctioning. You chould get the unit cleaned out or some thing.

JC

 

[the nature boy]

even if it did happen, the siblings of politicians will go to the national guard.

 

[flex123]

It will not be passed.

It could be a good thing though, I think if every 17-18yr old kid had to serve 2yrs in the military they would have much better leadership and authority skills.

I'm going to get banged up for this I assume.

 

[danielson]

even if it did happen, the siblings of politicians will go to the national guard.

does the coastguard count as national service?



his reasins for this are kinda whack though.........he says he wants to (according to the article) so when the next warmongerer comes to power there will be more of america's children on the front lines and peole will say no

 

[Sailor_Girl]

Allow me to cut and paste.....here's what i said in a similar thread:

ok, ok, a lot of countries have mandatory service and it has worked for them. I think we can all agree it wouldn't work for the U.S. for many reasons. Most of all, we have a lot of cowards, a lot of sissy's and a lot of homosexuals. I don't know if I can really say much because I know if it were mandatory it would only be mandatory for men, but I am in the military so I do have a few words.

Don't make it mandatory, but make it a bigger option out of highschool. When I was in highschool all my counselors would just go on and on about college. All the teachers talk about college. It's just assummed that everyone is going to go to college after highschool. The option of joining the military isn't put out there nearly enough. It seems as though people frown upon joining the military. Yeah, my parents didn't really like the idea of their little girl enlisting, but they signed the paper when I was 17 because they knew it was what I really wanted to do, and now they are prouder than ever. My whole family has shown me nothing but immense support. There have been numerous articles about me in a number of different news papers in south eastern Wisconsin. One after bootcamp and then my A-school sent out press releases.

Yeah, the recruiters came once a month, but they were only there during the lunch period, and I don't know who's gonna go talk to the recruiter rather than eat. High School career counselors really need to start putting out there the option of joining the military. When I went home after a-school I was invited by some teachers to come talk to there classes. That's a start. Those kids were full of questions. All they need is someone there to answer their questions, tell them it IS a good option after highschool and how they can benefit from it. Joining the Navy has been one of the greatest decisions I have ever made.

All in all if they pushed the idea more in schools. It doesn't have to be mandatory. Maybe bootcamp should be mandatory though. I learned a lot about myself in bootcamp and I think everyone should do it.

AS THE SIMPSONS WOULD SAY: YVA NEHT NIOJ

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

SG

That's a good post. You're right that it is not suggested enough.

Many of the people I served with have moved on to the civilian world, but they benefitted tremendously from the service, myself included.

A lot of people don't realize that not everything someone does in the service has to be front line/combat/storming the beach etc. Yes, you support the war effort, but there are numerous opportunities to learn a lot of valuable and transferrable skills.

My idea is to make all income earned during military service tax free. It would give the troops a nice pay raise and incentivize people to join.

 

[Sailor_Girl]

Some states don't tax their military service members, Wisconsin, unfortunately taxes the shit out of us, but they are talking about changing it. When i'm in the Middle East you best believe that shit will be tax free!!! Plus I'll be getting hazerdous duty pay. I'm gonna be makin phat cash. Maybe then I can afford to be a platinum member!!

 

[dballer]

It is sad that our country is run by satanic scum.

 

[flex123]

I'm gonna be makin phat cash.

in the military huh? What do you consider phat cash?

I'm not being a dick, but I have had friends/family in different branchs of the service and they always bitched about the pay.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

in the military huh? What do you consider phat cash?

I'm not being a dick, but I have had friends/family in different branchs of the service and they always bitched about the pay.

Flex,

On overseas deployments, the pay is tax free. So someone whose base pay is $2500 per month is keeping all of it. That means they ae gettuing approx the same take home pay as someone who makes like $50K per year.

Throw in a copule hundred for hazard pay and other bonuses, and a junir enlisted could be earnign the same take home pay as someone making maybe $60K.

Couple that with the fact that the money can't be spent, and it is a lot. A homeowner would have to make like $100K per year to be able to save $3000 per month. Not bad for a younger person.

So if someone deploys 6 months, they come back with like 15-20K. Respectable savings.


Sailor Girl - change your home of record to Florida. No state income tax.

 

[TheStromba]

If I was deployed overseas in time of war, or even the threat of war, the LAST thing I would be worried about is cash.

 

[Sailor_Girl]

Thanks Matt, that's what I was trying to say. And Stromba, I'm in the world's greatest Navy, I'm not worried. Besides, if something unfortunate would happen, at least I'd be dying for my country. I'm not afraid.

 

[Big Johnson]

This is not a new idea. The Boy Scouts of America was created to serve a similar function. Israel has been doing it for decades, with very positive results.

As a matter of fact, when my friend Josh, an american citizen and a hebrew, went to Israel with his mother and father, also American citizens, to visit family, he was immediately placed in bootcamp. He was only 14 years old, and it didn't seem to matter that their vacation was to last a mere two weeks. At the end of the two weeks, he was driven to the airport and given back to his parents for the flight home.

You should have read the postcard he sent me while at bootcamp; "DUDE, I am in BOOTCAMP! This fucking country is LAME! They kidnapped me before we even left the airport and told my parents if I refused to go we'd have to leave the country! I'm an American citizen, DAMNIT! HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN?"

The second postcard read like this; "Its actually kinda' cool having my own M-16. I don't want to leave. My parents are making me go, but I want to come back this summer and finish my training."

It makes sense. Especially when one considers who Israel's neighbors are. Invading the country is somewhat like invading a large millitary base, as both men and women go through basic training. It also insures that almost all citizens are literate and aware of their civic duties as Israelites once basic training has been completed. The list of benefits is endless. With this in mind, why would we argue against it?

 

[minion]

Some states don't tax their military service members, Wisconsin, unfortunately taxes the shit out of us, but they are talking about changing it. When i'm in the Middle East you best believe that shit will be tax free!!! Plus I'll be getting hazerdous duty pay. I'm gonna be makin phat cash. Maybe then I can afford to be a platinum member!!

Federal and FICA take the biggest bite.

True in the Gulf you make out like a bandit, especially if you re-enlist there.

What ship are you on?

 

[minion]

in the military huh? What do you consider phat cash?

I'm not being a dick, but I have had friends/family in different branchs of the service and they always bitched about the pay.

If you spend outside of your means it dosn't matter what your income. On the flipside.
We don't get paid nearly enough to put up with the bullshit that we go through.
I think when SG said "phat cash" it was in relation to her expenses.

 

[Sailor_Girl]

I'm on the USS Gettysburg (CG-64) in Mayport, FL. A few people in my A-school got orders to Sasebo. You on a ship?

Anywho, I have something else to say about the money issue. I joined the military just out of highschool. I was working at a local restaurant where I got paid every two weeks and I was lucky if my check was $150. When you go from that to making $1200 a month.....you feel like a millionaire. Since I got to my ship my pay increased a little cuz i'm getting sea pay.....in june i'll be getting $100 extra cuz i'll be done paying for my GI bill.....we just got a raise........i'll be making E-3 in March. I don't have a family, so the money is good for me right now as long as I manage it properly. I can't even imagine what my bank accounts gonna look like when I go to the middle east. I honestly can't wait. For those of you that can't understand that I don't know what else to say. Even if we're not at war I'll be getting hella extra pay tax free. When's the last time a US ship sank? Yeah the Cole got hit, but not hard....they recovered and now they're back out there. People are going to die, but the chances are pretty slim, and at least we're dying for a good cause.

God.....I really am Joanne Navy.

 

[minion]

Yep,
USS Essex (LHD2)

 

[Sailor_Girl]

Hmmmm.....never heard of that one. What's your rate?

 

[minion]

Hmmmm.....never heard of that one. What's your rate?

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