dianabol long term use

[Frankie27]

Hi Guys/gals

i have just finished pct(3 weeks 20 mg tam) from a 6 week dbol cycle( 30mg/day), when i finished cycle gains were approx 9kg after pct 6kg.

I enjoyed the dbol very much although going into week 2 i had to start taking 20mg tam/day to counteract nipple sensitivity, which did the trick.

question is....
after giving my body a few weeks rest i would like to run dbol at 10mg/day for 12 weeks
,would there be any benefits to this

 

[Frankie27]

sorry
current stats
43yrs 5'11" 80kg (skinny b'tard)
training on of since a teen, but been back in the gym continuosly for last 9 months

 

[SteveMobsterG]

In a word - no., The point of using steroids is to exceed natural testosterone production. 10mg a day is 70mg a week. That's not even a TRT dose and is about what most of us produce without steroids

 

[stevesmi]

you should use aromasin on cycle, not tamox

a lot of those gains were just water weight

 

[Frankie27]

you should use aromasin on cycle, not tamox

a lot of those gains were just water weight

yes, i would guess 3 of the 9 kg

i chose not to use ai as i believe water weight is good for the joints with a large increase in lifting.

as it is i didnt actually bloat that much, more of a smooth layer of water.

tamoxifen was more for gyno symptoms.

thanks for your input.

 

[Frankie27]

In a word - no., The point of using steroids is to exceed natural testosterone production. 10mg a day is 70mg a week. That's not even a TRT dose and is about what most of us produce without steroids

so what you are saying is dbol and test are the same mg for mg?

thanks for your reply.

 

[Zinergy]

i chose not to use ai as i believe water weight is good for the joints with a large increase in lifting.

as it is i didnt actually bloat that much, more of a smooth layer of water.

tamoxifen was more for gyno symptoms.

thanks for your input.

Good, and I suggest the same, never use ai's or ancillaries unless needed.


And your gyno symptoms came from PCT, AI during cycle would not have helped with that.



Anyways as to your question, 10mg of dbol for a duration is fine, just split the dosages throughout the day for more consistent levels. You will notice the benefits of the dbol will fade and at that point you should probably stop taking it.

 

[SteveMobsterG]

so what you are saying is dbol and test are the same mg for mg?

thanks for your reply.

All steroids are a form of testosterone. If you're taking dbol and don't know the simple facts about steroids I'm concerned.

Here's the amount the body produces naturally (from sharecare): Most men produce 4 to 7 milligrams of testosterone a day

A TRT dose can be 100-200mg a week.

10mg of dbol a day is, as I said, barely above what you'd produce all on your own. And I can't see that there are ANY benefits to doing so.

 

[Frankie27]

All steroids are a form of testosterone. If you're taking dbol and don't know the simple facts about steroids I'm concerned.

Here's the amount the body produces naturally (from sharecare): Most men produce 4 to 7 milligrams of testosterone a day

A TRT dose can be 100-200mg a week.

10mg of dbol a day is, as I said, barely above what you'd produce all on your own. And I can't see that there are ANY benefits to doing so.

i have done a fair bit of research and yes i do know the simple facts, maybe i worded my reply wrong.
wasnt dianabol originally made to be used at small dosages for weight/power lifters?

 

[Frankie27]

also from what i believe dianabol suppresses natural testosterone, to what degree depends on the individual, whereas test will shut you down completely.?? correct me if im wrong.

so my theory of taking 10mg/day is that some natty test will still be produced.

 

[Frankie27]

Good, and I suggest the same, never use ai's or ancillaries unless needed.


And your gyno symptoms came from PCT, AI during cycle would not have helped with that.



Anyways as to your question, 10mg of dbol for a duration is fine, just split the dosages throughout the day for more consistent levels. You will notice the benefits of the dbol will fade and at that point you should probably stop taking it.

or increase the dosage for a few weeks? then come off?
i wouldnt go above 30mg/day anyhow.

 

[SteveMobsterG]

also from what i believe dianabol suppresses natural testosterone, to what degree depends on the individual, whereas test will shut you down completely.?? correct me if im wrong.

so my theory of taking 10mg/day is that some natty test will still be produced.

No. As you'll see a bunch of posts on all kinds of PED's - shut down is shut down.

Regarding your other question. Back in the day bodybuilders on the West Coast (I think Arnold has mentioned it) would use 1-2 dbol a day. It was said to be a big deal when rumours started that Arnold had gone to 30mg. But that's only cos they didn't know any better.

I also agree with a minimum of 30mg. I think my first cycle ever was 30mg a day.

There has to be a benefit to the use - else what's the point?

 

[Frankie27]

No. As you'll see a bunch of posts on all kinds of PED's - shut down is shut down.

Regarding your other question. Back in the day bodybuilders on the West Coast (I think Arnold has mentioned it) would use 1-2 dbol a day. It was said to be a big deal when rumours started that Arnold had gone to 30mg. But that's only cos they didn't know any better.

I also agree with a minimum of 30mg. I think my first cycle ever was 30mg a day.

There has to be a benefit to the use - else what's the point?

thanks Steve
have you taken dbol without test?

what was the longest you have run it?

 

[stevesmi]

yes, i would guess 3 of the 9 kg

i chose not to use ai as i believe water weight is good for the joints with a large increase in lifting.

as it is i didnt actually bloat that much, more of a smooth layer of water.

tamoxifen was more for gyno symptoms.

thanks for your input.

gyno symptoms came from an increase in estrogen

i'm not an AI whore, but with dbol you should use an AI.. it aromatizes A LOT. you are playing with fire not using an AI, some guys can get away with it due to luck

 

[SteveMobsterG]

thanks Steve
have you taken dbol without test?

what was the longest you have run it?

It's all I did when I first started. My cycles average 10 weeks or so.

 

[Zinergy]

or increase the dosage for a few weeks? then come off?
i wouldnt go above 30mg/day anyhow.

You could, but I would just say come off.


As for Dbols effectiveness mg to mg compared to test is they aren't the same. Dbol is quite a bit stronger, most methylated compounds are stronger than test mg for mg.


As for being shut down fully from dbol, it depends, any exogenous form of testosterone will cause your body to stop producing test however if you are just under what your bodies natural levels rest then yes you should technically still produce some test.

 

[Zinergy]

gyno symptoms came from an increase in estrogen

i'm not an AI whore, but with dbol you should use an AI.. it aromatizes A LOT. you are playing with fire not using an AI, some guys can get away with it due to luck

If it occured in PCT it likely came from a drop of androgens in relation to his estrogen, estrogen doesn't really increase during pct.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I have no issue with tamox being used with dbol instead of an AI. When someone runs dbol they choose it for a reason and know what the effects are. If they want something less "watery" then they could just run tbol instead.

 

[Frankie27]

If it occured in PCT it likely came from a drop of androgens in relation to his estrogen, estrogen doesn't really increase during pct.

it was week 2 of using dbol

 

[muskate]

Check out this article on dbol -> https://www.evolutionary.org/dianabol-methandrostenolone

This article explains how to run a dbol only steroid cycle for beginners -> https://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-dianabol-only-cycle/

 

[Frankie27]

It's all I did when I first started. My cycles average 10 weeks or so.

so ive decided to run another 6 weeks at 30 mg per day with arimedex instead of tamoxifen, would 1mg arimedex eod be overkill?

 

[SteveMobsterG]

From memory you need to take an AI every day

 

[Frankie27]

From memory you need to take an AI every day

Even if it has 48hr half life?

 

[stevesmi]

Even if it has 48hr half life?

YOU need to figure out this answer

experience and blood work tells you

for me I like to use 10mg of aromasin EOD on even a low amount of aromatizing compounds.

 

[Frankie27]

YOU need to figure out this answer


experience and blood work tells you

for me I like to use 10mg of aromasin EOD on even a low amount of aromatizing compounds.

I hear ya, thanks for replying

 

[muskate]

Check out this video I made on dbol brother -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ufol3EgDg

It'll answer all your questions.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

A basic dose of adex that works for most guys is .5mg EOD.