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DHEA what are your thoughts?

b_light

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I just wrote a 5 page paper on steroids for a class and my teacher asked what i though of DHEA use since its the precursor to test and is legal OTC. What's your views on this guys? Im pretty sure its in dermacrine (need2 can confirm). Let me know what your guys thoughts are as using DHEA in place of steroids.
 
Its great, and unless you take tons of it its not going to give you that testy feeling

I take 55mg ed, helps with attitude and well being!! helps bigtime with PCT TOO!
 
b_light said:
I just wrote a 5 page paper on steroids for a class and my teacher asked what i though of DHEA use since its the precursor to test and is legal OTC. What's your views on this guys? Im pretty sure its in dermacrine (need2 can confirm). Let me know what your guys thoughts are as using DHEA in place of steroids.

It's no accident that youth is associated with high levels of hormones. Produced throughout the body, sex hormones are critical to maintaining vibrancy and good health. In recent decades, scientists have begun to understand the powerful benefits of replacing hormones lost to aging. However, there are serious questions about the safety of conventional hormone replacement therapy, which relies on hormones that are synthesized from animals (Premarin ®) or created in a lab (Provera ®). Most recently, the widespread prescribing of these two hormones among menopausal women has come under scientific scrutiny because of the increased risk of stroke and heart attack.

As an alternative, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy may be one of the best things aging people can do for themselves because of the wide-ranging benefits of bioidentical hormones on everything from the cardiovascular system to the aging brain and bones. What is required, however, is an approach that harnesses the wisdom of the body and relies on bioidentical hormones to replace those that decline with age.

In 1981, Life Extension introduced dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in an article that described the multiple anti-aging effects of this steroid hormone. At the time, DHEA replacement therapy was almost unheard of. Today, however, DHEA replacement therapy has been studied extensively, and decreased DHEA levels have been implicated in heart disease, high cholesterol, depression, inflammation, immune disorders, schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, HIV, and osteoporosis (Hauffa BP et al 1984; Valenti G 2002; Valenti G et al 2004).

But what is DHEA exactly, and how does it work? DHEA is the most common steroid hormone in the body. It is produced mainly by the adrenal glands, and to a lesser extent, elsewhere in the body (including fat cells). DHEA is metabolized from pregnenolone, the body's “master hormone,” which itself is metabolized from cholesterol. DHEA can be metabolized into other sex hormones, including testosterone and the estrogens, and up to 150 individual metabolites.

Although there are still important research questions to answer, there is no question that youthful DHEA levels are closely associated with good health, and that low levels have been connected to various diseases. Unfortunately, after about age 35, DHEA begins to decline (Pavlov EP et al 1986; Nafziger AN et al 1998). Women, who tend to have lower levels, lose DHEA much more quickly than men as they age. Concentrations remain roughly 30% higher in men (Orentreich N et al. 1984). DHEA levels also vary according to ethnicity (Orentreich N et al. 1984; LaCroix AZ et al. 1992; Hornsby PJ 1995). By age 70, DHEA may be only 20% of young-adult levels (Belanger A et al 1994).

Modern hormone replacement therapy strives to recreate the youthful balance of hormones in the body—and this is where DHEA's value really stands out. Because it is metabolized into other hormones, supplementing with DHEA may allow the body to choose which hormone is needed, then synthesize that hormone from the available DHEA. This may account for the astonishing range of benefits that many researchers attribute to this hormone. DHEA's separate metabolites, including 7-Keto DHEA, have also been shown to have individual benefits, including lowering cholesterol, burning fat, and boosting the immune system.

There are many provocative theories that may one day help explain DHEA's role in certain diseases. For instance, many elderly people suffer from high cholesterol levels, which are a risk factor for heart disease. In this age group, the rate of heart disease rises much more rapidly among women than men, partly because of the loss of hormones during menopause. Clearly, there is a link between heart disease and sex hormones, and this phenomenon raises an intriguing possibility. Because sex hormones are synthesized from cholesterol, perhaps elevated cholesterol levels represent the body's attempt to supply more of the raw materials for hormone production. Indeed, one study showed a drop in cholesterol levels after comprehensive natural hormone therapy (Dzugan SA et al 2002).

As part of a comprehensive approach to fighting the diseases of aging, Life Extension recommends that people monitor their blood levels of DHEA and strive to reproduce hormone levels of a healthy 21-year-old. Fortunately, DHEA is well tolerated as a supplement, with only minimal side effects even at relatively high doses.
 
DHEA: Fighting Inflammation

Inflammation is an insidious condition, and we are learning more every year about its association with a host of diseases. Inflammation is caused by internal chemicals called inflammatory cytokines that are released as part of the immune system response. These chemicals, including tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), interleukin-6 (IL-6), interleukin 1(beta) [IL-1(β)] and/or leukotriene, are present in greater concentrations as we age. Reducing the concentration of inflammatory cytokines to reduce the risk of serious disease is one goal of nutrient and hormone therapy.

DHEA supplementation has been shown to improve several aspects of the immune system―cytokine production and T-cell, B-cell, natural killer cell, and monocyte function―in postmenopausal women and elderly men (Khorram O et al 1997). DHEA appears to be especially valuable against IL-6 and TNF, both of which are elevated in patients with inflammatory arthritis (James K et al 1997; Straub RH et al 1998; Straub RH et al 2002a; Leowattana W 2001). Systemic lupus erythematosus is another chronic inflammatory condition, affecting approximately 1 in every 700 women, usually younger women (Sullivan KE 1999-2000). Treatment of this type of lupus with DHEA (50 to 200 mg daily) caused clinical improvement and decreased lupus flares by 16% (van Vollenhoven RF et al 1998; Chang DM et al 2002).
 
DHEA in Men

Studies of men have shown that DHEA replacement therapy is an important complement to testosterone therapy. Among aging men, the amount of “free” testosterone, or testosterone that is available to the body, falls more quickly than the level of total testosterone. Thus, it is important to design a hormone replacement program that raises the level of free testosterone. In a 1997 study, DHEA levels were shown to parallel the levels of free testosterone in the blood. The study authors suggested that DHEA might help raise free testosterone. If this conclusion is correct, then DHEA replacement therapy would not only raise the blood level of DHEA, but also the level of free testosterone (Morley JE et al 1997).

Still, other studies have shown that DHEA may be an effective therapy for erectile dysfunction. Although there are conflicting studies in this regard, a few have shown that among men without heart or vascular disease, DHEA has been able to improve erectile dysfunction (Belaisch J 2002).
 
Depression. DHEA has been extensively studied in depression. DHEA levels are reduced in major depressive disorders in both adolescents and adults, and an elevated cortisol/DHEA ratio predicts a delay in recovery (Herbert J 1998; Ferrari E et al. 2004). Women lacking detectable DHEA have an increased occurrence of depression (Yaffe K et al. 1998).

DHEA has also been a useful remedy for depression (van Broekhoven F et al 2003). A well-conducted study by the National Institute of Mental Health found DHEA to be quite effective in treating midlife long-lasting, mild depression (dysthymia). The symptoms that improved most significantly were inability to gain pleasure from normally pleasurable experiences (anhedonia), loss of energy, lack of motivation, emotional “numbness,” sadness, inability to cope, and worrying (Bloch M et al 1999). In another study, 3 months of DHEA supplementation improved self-reported physical and psychological well-being in age-advanced individuals (Morales AJ et al 1994). These results were supported by a recent study that showed DHEA therapy improved depression among middle-aged people (Schmidt PJ et al 2005).
 
Immune system. DHEA has been shown to enhance the immune response against a wide range of viral, bacterial and parasitic pathogens. In one animal study, DHEA supplementation showed a significant reduction in the level of internal parasites (Dos Santos TD et al 2005).
 
Needto:
Wow that is great info. My HRT doc just recomended I get some. Where does one get the best DHEA - micronized only...?
 
Well what about all the young guys like me and younger that wanna juice but don't have a clue what there doing. Do you think reccomending DHEA instead of a/as and prohormones would be a good thing?
 
No , and dont be stupid, you already went down the AAS path no turning back!!! jk but really!!

You are making great progresss

Supplement DHEA because it is healthy
You are still young, Just run low dose cycles with a lot of ANABOLIC not androgenic compounds!!
 
b_light said:
Well what about all the young guys like me and younger that wanna juice but don't have a clue what there doing. Do you think reccomending DHEA instead of a/as and prohormones would be a good thing?
mmmmm depends how young.
 
DHEA has a short half life. My Dr. told me to split dose to twice a day. Breakfast 50mg / Dinner 50mg. 10-12 hours apart. Seems to work I feel great.
 
dhea made my nips hurt at 50mgs a day. it does increase estrone levels.

that being said, i agree it makes you feel good. too bad for the nip situation. can't use AIFM or anything with DHEA, i must convert a lot to estrone.
 
10001110101 said:
dhea made my nips hurt at 50mgs a day. it does increase estrone levels.

that being said, i agree it makes you feel good. too bad for the nip situation. can't use AIFM or anything with DHEA, i must convert a lot to estrone.


You converted your hair to skin too, Ghandi ! J/K :lmao:
 
10001110101 said:
dhea made my nips hurt at 50mgs a day. it does increase estrone levels.

that being said, i agree it makes you feel good. too bad for the nip situation. can't use AIFM or anything with DHEA, i must convert a lot to estrone.
thats great. did you know dermacrine has ai like effects and lowers estro. So know estro problems well on dermacrine. Ain't that great? You get the benefits of the dhea with non of the sides. Like check out my test results It raised my test and lowered my estro.
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Thats fucking awesome ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
needtogetaas said:
thats great. did you know dermacrine has aromatase inhibitor like effects and lowers estro. So know estro problems well on dermacrine. Ain't that great? You get the benefits of the dhea with non of the sides. Like check out my test results It raised my test and lowered my estro.
6q0z38x.jpg


Thats fucking awesome ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

wow ur dhea's really increased but estrone still isn't normal...
 
StackedXXX said:
wow ur dhea's really increased but estrone still isn't normal...
Yes but I had high estro to start with. Also thats after just 2 weeks of use. So you can see I started with high estro/low test. After just to weeks my test went up,my dhea went up and my estro went down. 2 more weeks to go and its only going to get better. I would also like you to see that my test doubled!!!!! :)
 
needtogetaas said:
Yes but I had high estro to start with. Also thats after just 2 weeks of use. So you can see I started with high estro/low test. After just to weeks my test went up,my dhea went up and my estro went down. 2 more weeks to go and its only going to get better. I would also like you to see that my test doubled!!!!! :)

And this is on derma reg.? wow it doubled your test, and X6 your dhea's...post up the next result when u get it
 
StackedXXX said:
And this is on derma reg.? wow it doubled your test, and X6 your dhea's...post up the next result when u get it
Yes that derma reg. Its good shit for a stand alone test booster or a add to a cycle. :)
 
I was supposed to be one of the original testers. I was on cycle at the time and didn't know you could run it while on. If only I had known! Now I'm kicking myself. After all the x-mas bills are gone, I'm going to give it a run and see how it goes.

The proof is in the pudding, look at Needtos test results. Proof enough for me. I want to make a run for 300 and keep the waist in the 29-32 range. This may be that extra kick I need.

I love the way of taking it as well. The company really made a great way of getting it into your system and doing its job. I wouldn't even bother with the pill version.

Great thread overall, I learned a lot about this great supplement. Karma to Needto for all the great posts on it.
 
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