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Depth and Drama...

I wish the drama and conflict levels in the community would:

  • I think the levels of drama should increase, it makes for wonderful entertainment.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I dig the drama as long as it does not directly involve me.

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • I think the levels of drama that we have right now are perfect

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • I would like more cooperation and understanding in this community

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • There will always be a substantial amount of drama here in C&C it is invevitable

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • I enjoy the drama and moreover I like to be directly involved in the conflict

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13

-Ariel-

-Thandzilla-
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My research project establishes the idea that due to the full blown marketization of the media and culture shaping industries, ie tv, movies, radio, internet, newspapers, magazines, books, music there is an emerging epidemic of narcissism pervading our culture. Since the main social institutions are private corporations entrenched in debt, they use the strongest, fastest psychological techniques in order to promote consumerism as the only meaningful way to live. How do they do this, through the construction of the identity. Through shiny imagery, and continuous narration an identity is packaged and sold to consumers every minute, advertisers bombard one constantly. Through continuous conditioning and cognitive dissonance one soon begins to reinforce the packaged story themselves narrating the story continuously as their identity or self and establishing this identity through the purchase choices they make rather than the principles that they hold. The problematic nature of living this way is apparent in the constant conflict, conditioned behaviors, continuous need for stimulation or entertainment, numbness, lack of empathy and kindness that pervade our culture. My incessant efforts to bring attention to this is a bit nocuous, because I realize this is like crying fire in a theatre, it is something I have no solution for.

One specific aspect that culture has fallen short is providing citizens with a sense of community. The rampant, yet 'commodified' individualism sold to citizens through consumerist identity in coherence with the capatilistic principle of self interest, places a premium on obtaining and accumulating as much as one can regardless of what happens to others. This only solidifies the viewpoint of self and others as not self or it. The sense of community or people co existing through cooperation and tolerance dissipates under the pervading culture of the constructed 'commodified' self.

When I think of community I think of a place that is not work, not home, where the place or in this case focal point brings us all together and it becomes a location in which we can share different ideas yet create meaning by finding the unifying truths that underlie the surface of our stories or ideas or issues. Community is about establishing connection and that is what meaning is all about: transcending the self and forging relationships with other people.

My question is the last two weeks there has been an escalation in drama due to emerging atmosphere of competition, a lack of dialogue on differential beliefs concerning significant issues which promoted personal attacks... I am not implying some sort of totalitarian form of censorship where we all agree, It is the difference of opinions that really promote true dialogue which leads to understanding, increased awareness, and even creativity. It is my opinion that the communal identity suffers when personal attacks predominate the atmosphere, however, this opinion may not be the prevalent one.
I would like to know your guys's take on the whole situation.
 
it's a double edged sword. i agree the world has become highly impersonal, but i feel the people who can see beyond that do. i personally love some of the things that a materialistic society has brought into the world. but i loathe part of it at the same time (when people dont appreciate it or are mindlessly influenced)

people are egotistical by nature. no one is truly altruistic just for the sake of it

far as community on here and blah blah blah. who gives a fuck. there are many personalities and different people on here so conflict is inevitable. its entertainment, maybe a bit of commaraderie. its the internet. ive forged alot of good relationships on here that have carried over to real life, but i spend a good 50% of my time just fucking around and laughing or making people laugh. take everything with a grain of salt. everyone has their own reasons for being here, which can highly conflict with the next person's

i think you take this place wayyyy too seriously.
 
ariel, you're a very intelligent and thought provoking bro...a genuine good soul it seems

but.....i dont think ive ever come across someone so sensitive in my entire life.
same with the constant compliments to everybody on this board. perhaps you see the greater good in every individual. I for one, am not that easily impressed by people. But its kinda stomach churning when every post is basically kissing somebody's ass in a hyperbolic way. Compliments completely lose their power and meaning when they're overstated. makes them seem disingenuine after awhile

not trying to be a dick and stand on a soapbox or nothing lol. im a blunt asshole and i know it but it had to be said. was kinda getting on my nerves
 
calveless wonder said:
ariel, you're a very intelligent and thought provoking bro...a genuine good soul it seems

but.....i dont think ive ever come across someone so sensitive in my entire life.
same with the constant compliments to everybody on this board. perhaps you see the greater good in every individual. I for one, am not that easily impressed by people. But its kinda stomach churning when every post is basically kissing somebody's ass in a hyperbolic way. Compliments completely lose their power and meaning when they're overstated. makes them seem disingenuine after awhile

sorry, not trying to be a dick and stand on a soapbox or nothing lol. im a blunt asshole and i know it but it had to be said. was kinda getting on my nerves


Damn do you guys have to turn every dude on here into an asshole? lol

i think he just sees the good in every one. or tries to
 
ariel347 said:
Through continuous conditioning and cognitive dissonance one soon begins to reinforce the packaged story themselves narrating the story continuously as their identity or self and establishing this identity through the purchase choices they make rather than the principles that they hold.

Wow, I was just saying this on here a few months ago that I feel that the younger generations seem to lack empathy and any sort of attention span. I didn't get many responses. I don't think people understood where I was coming from, but this is what I'm talking about.
 
cindylou said:
Damn do you guys have to turn every dude on here into an asshole? lol

i think he just sees the good in every one. or tries to

please. the degradation of honesty in this board has been sad to say the least. many people(good bros) agree this has been the era of ass kissing and "respect". civility is one thing, delusion is another.

im not surprised you would say this though. very much like your personality/midwestern values (and no, thats not an insult or meant to be condescending)

very few people keep it real these days. sad, really

(and this is a tangent btw..not an attack on ariel)
 
calveless wonder said:
ariel, you're a very intelligent and thought provoking bro...a genuine good soul it seems

but.....i dont think ive ever come across someone so sensitive in my entire life.
same with the constant compliments to everybody on this board. perhaps you see the greater good in every individual. I for one, am not that easily impressed by people. But its kinda stomach churning when every post is basically kissing somebody's ass in a hyperbolic way. Compliments completely lose their power and meaning when they're overstated. makes them seem disingenuine after awhile

not trying to be a dick and stand on a soapbox or nothing lol. im a blunt asshole and i know it but it had to be said. was kinda getting on my nerves

.......Uh oh......
 
calveless wonder said:
not trying to be a dick

im a blunt asshole and i know it but it had to be said. was kinda getting on my nerves

a. for not trying, you sure succeed lots.

b. Yes you are, and no it didn't, and everything gets on your nerves.

lol.
 
the difference between ariel and others on the board who are mostly into complimenting and pointing out positive traits in others is that he doesnt just go OH SUZIE YOUR HOT or RAWR or I LKE YOU
he actually has thoughtful comments to back it up. as if he has spent time actually thinking about his outlook on someone and WHY he makes the comments he does. he clearly thinks very deeply. its not superficial.
thats the difference I see.
 
calveless wonder said:
please. the degradation of honesty in this board has been sad to say the least. many people agree this has been the era of ass kissing and "respect". civility is one thing, delusion is another.

im not surprised you would say this though. very much like your personality/midwestern values (and no, thats not an insult or meant to be condescending)

I understand. I like the assholes too.
 
Smurfy said:
the difference between ariel and others on the board who are mostly into complimenting and pointing out positive traits in others is that he doesnt just go OH SUZIE YOUR HOT or RAWR or I LKE YOU
he actually has thoughtful comments to back it up. as if he has spent time actually thinking about his outlook on someone and WHY he makes the comments he does. he clearly thinks very deeply. its not superficial.
thats the difference I see.


DING DING DING
 
cindylou said:
I dig the drama as long as it does not include me

+1

It's entertaining to watch....as long as I can keep myself out of it.

Ariel, while I may not go as far as cw did, I do think you need to find some emotional seperation from the community. Go ahead and form connections to certain people...but don't love the "place" so much. EF is just a joining point and we're not all going to get along all the time nor do we all have to like each other. I'd frankly get bored to tears if everybody was just yes manning each other all the time. It wouldn't be true to life. Fact of the matter is, this is a fitness/bodybuilding/steroids board and that doesn't mean we're going to have a thing in common beyond that one factor.

I won't tell you to change being you...any more than I'd tell CW to stop being a blunt asshole...but you'll enjoy things much more if you set up emotional boundaries for yourself.
 
nefertiti said:
+1

It's entertaining to watch....as long as I can keep myself out of it.

Ariel, while I may not go as far as cw did, I do think you need to find some emotional seperation from the community. Go ahead and form connections to certain people...but don't love the "place" so much. EF is just a joining point and we're not all going to get along all the time nor do we all have to like each other. I'd frankly get bored to tears if everybody was just yes manning each other all the time. It wouldn't be true to life. Fact of the matter is, this is a fitness/bodybuilding/steroids board and that doesn't mean we're going to have a thing in common beyond that one factor.

I won't tell you to change being you...any more than I'd tell CW to stop being a blunt asshole...but you'll enjoy things much more if you set up emotional boundaries for yourself.

lmao.
thanks nef :)
 
Smurfy said:
the difference between ariel and others on the board who are mostly into complimenting and pointing out positive traits in others is that he doesnt just go OH SUZIE YOUR HOT or RAWR or I LKE YOU
he actually has thoughtful comments to back it up. as if he has spent time actually thinking about his outlook on someone and WHY he makes the comments he does. he clearly thinks very deeply. its not superficial.
thats the difference I see.


True.
 
No i dig it all, I'm pretty emotional... but the cool thing is I'm able to bounce my research project from this board and back... I'm able to gauge real resopnses from a microcosm... and as far as complimenting goes I'm sincere in every aspect, and I want to see the good in all of us, including CW... I'm not hurt, I know it can be a burden, but this is my genuine fun, by penetrating the depth of the social surface... you seem some pretty dark things, but some awesome things as well... as far as taking things personal... shit no worries... hell I dig me... I dig the place I'm in right now in life, and I dig it here... and I'm not trying to alter things... I just like to bounce my research ideas that may make a difference someday on a much smaller scale microcosm. CW criticism doesn't bother me shit, I have no problem with that... I have no problem with him... dude has somewhat of a valid point, not totally, but somewhat. I just dug the feedback.
I wanted honest answers and I got them... this is sincerely what I wanted thats part of communal social interaction.
 
ariel347 said:
No i dig it all, I'm pretty emotional... but the cool thing is I'm able to bounce my research project from this board and back... I'm able to gauge real resopnses from a microcosm... and as far as complimenting goes I'm sincere in every aspect, and I want to see the good in all of us, including CW... I'm not hurt, I know it can be a burden, but this is my genuine fun, by penetrating the depth of the social surface... you seem some pretty dark things, but some awesome things as well... as far as taking things personal... shit no worries... hell I dig me... I dig the place I'm in right now in life, and I dig it here... and I'm not trying to alter things... I just like to bounce my research ideas that may make a difference someday on a much smaller scale microcosm. CW criticism doesn't bother me shit, I have no problem with that... I have no problem with him... dude has somewhat of a valid point, not totally, but somewhat. I just dug the feedback.
I wanted honest answers and I got them... this is sincerely what I wanted thats part of communal social interaction.

I dig you
 
the bright side is, my criticism brought out your fans (large female following)

maybe that's because they run on emotions too lol :)

just busting balls
 
velvett said:
I dig you
You know the feelings mutual V
But let me reiterate, I get the benefit of bouncing my academic ideas in a much smaller scale scenario... and I've learned alot here that I've incorporated into my project, specifically V you mentioned something about the convenience of how we obtain music... I was able to use that in the research that in this age of convenience alot more people are asking big picture questions verses survival type questions, hence a new pseudo spiritual arising seems to be emerging... and basically you started that whole train of thought in me...
But you rock V... and everyone who posted.
 
calveless wonder said:
the bright side is, my criticism brought out your fans (large female following)

maybe that's because they run on emotions too lol :)

just busting balls
Dude no worries, I would get sick of my shit too... we all need a voice to keep us in check...
its cool brah.
 
ariel347 said:
Dude no worries, I would get sick of my shit too... we all need a voice to keep us in check...
its cool brah.

what i meant to say in my k message was that i'm more the alpha male loudmouth/dominant type(with a bit of empathy mixed in) so i surround myself with a certain type of people. just never really come across people with your personality much, so its a very different perspective to me
 
blueta2 said:
Ibet Ariel is a great lover
You rock blue...
I do allright
I'm glad I did this cause I really do dig on all of you, I mean I get along pretty much with everybody IRL... like last year I spent basically going through so much self inquiry didn't even date, and now its the complete opposite... but thats cool... sides I"m not going anywhere, I'll just check myself a little... I mean there are much worse things to be accused of than being to affable, IRL I need alot of solitude... similar to you blue.
 
calveless wonder said:
i wonder what life would be like if you couldnt be an asshole sometimes :confused:
Oh trust me i"ve been thoughtless and dicked people over, I really didn't think about it until I noticed how much I wanted to call the sexiest man of ef dude scum when he confessed... which that whole situation made no sense.. but I"m not columbo, so pass, to doing all that shit. Then I noticed in the past how I've dicked people over and then my shit wasn't so pretty then. But yeah I guess its all about balance.
 
ariel347 said:
Oh trust me i"ve been thoughtless and dicked people over, I really didn't think about it until I noticed how much I wanted to call the sexiest man of ef dude scum when he confessed... which that whole situation made no sense.. but I"m not columbo, so pass, to doing all that shit. Then I noticed in the past how I've dicked people over and then my shit wasn't so pretty then. But yeah I guess its all about balance.

eh, dicking people over is one thing. that's just being a scumbag. no one respects a scumbag

i think being an asshole, at least in my definition, is more so busting balls and saying things that come to mind regardless of what the other party is going to perceive. often in light of ridiculous statements/hypocrisy/stupidity/whatever inappropriate behavior

of course intent is a large part of that. if its malicious, i think that classifies as a scumbag as well.

to rationalize my behavior i like to classify myself as a justified asshole i guess
 
that'll work...
I'm not going anywhere anyway, hell I'm super affable, but off topic, but people think when you are sincere in your appreciation for qualities that are noticed in others that you are super sensitive... well I'm sensitive, but I also rebound suprisingly well. So yeah, feedback was good and just time to for me to keep moving. But ironically some drama in this thread lol...
 
calveless wonder said:
ariel, you're a very intelligent and thought provoking bro...a genuine good soul it seems

crap bull crapthink ive ever crap across someone so sensitive in my entire life.
same with the constant ccraps crap on this board. perhaps you see the greater good in every individual. I for one, am crap that crap impressed by crap-o la its kinda stomach churning when every post is basically kissing crap.....I hope Isound neat-o Compliments completely lose their power and meaning when they're obuncha crap. makes them seem disingenuine after awhile

TITCR
 
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a thread in C&C go 40+ posts deep with nothing but women replying. Crazy!
 
myway said:
calveless wonder said:
ariel, you're a very intelligent and thought provoking bro...a genuine good soul it seems

crap bull crapthink ive ever crap across someone so sensitive in my entire life.
same with the constant ccraps crap on this board. perhaps you see the greater good in every individual. I for one, am crap that crap impressed by crap-o la its kinda stomach churning when every post is basically kissing crap.....I hope Isound neat-o Compliments completely lose their power and meaning when they're obuncha crap. makes them seem disingenuine after awhile

TITCR

strangest EF post of all time?
 
cindylou said:
agree

im still lost on the ef sexiest male deal

some alter made a thread about being the sexiest guy on elite.

posted a few pics of him and his girlfriend. looked like he was 15.

and his girlfriend cheated on him 15 times or something lolol.

you could imagine the flame o rama that ensued
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a thread in C&C go 40+ posts deep with nothing but women replying. Crazy!

He is a brilliant and good bro. People shouldn't screw with him. It only pisses me off.
 
Smurfy said:
the difference between ariel and others on the board who are mostly into complimenting and pointing out positive traits in others is that he doesnt just go OH SUZIE YOUR HOT or RAWR or I LKE YOU
he actually has thoughtful comments to back it up. as if he has spent time actually thinking about his outlook on someone and WHY he makes the comments he does. he clearly thinks very deeply. its not superficial.
thats the difference I see.

Agreed. I think Ariel is a genuine nice guy. He is open minded, thoughtful and intelligent. As an older, married guy I don't get all the lewd comments to the women. Ariel treats all equal and is willing to enter into real dialog even on the 'net. I like that.

Ariel... I want to read your post above and think about it before I respond and I want to read your paper. As we have discussed, I am very interested in how social networking affects interpersonal relationships.

S
 
Yowzer... I'm completey enamored with the feedback, I thought there might be drama, but I didin't think my affable nature which can be a bit too much at times, I can't help my over eagerness with people I dig on... I'll work on that, maybe... but here's the thing I learned tonight while daydreaming at work in B&N, how powerful language is... language is the manner in which we conduct our perception of reality. So when it is said that I take my interactions here too seriously, it implies the narrative story that I'm assessing too much value to my interaction with all of you, I can say thats one way of looking at it. It depends on what you value, I value finding meaning, and trying to live a beautiful life... so much fragmentation and isolation in our world, establishing meaning in one's life has become such a hidden imperative in all of our lives... and I got meaning, a surfeit of it through my academic career and the bonds I've formed with my teachers and some colleagues, friends, although thats kinda dissipated due to them being married, my S O, whom I cherish immeasurably, family... which is my foundation for growth, and of course you guys... I take every interaction I have with a sense of respect, wonder, and gratitude... our relationships seamlessly and unconsciously shape who we become through the narrative stories that we accumulate in our head. So if trying to be fully present and appreciate what I genuinely feel when I interact translates into me being 'too serious' so be it... I still think all of you rock and dig on each individual style, shit I've laughed so much being here, how can I not be grateful for that.
I dug the feedback and am grateful for all the positive responses and even the constructive criticism... how can one not be appreciated in truth without criticism... I can't stand Tony Robbins or people that are too happy too, they get on my nerves and the last thing I wanna be is Ned Flanders, so I'll keep that in the back of my mind... again... I remain enamored.
 
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