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Decisions, decisions...

Bulldog333

Bulldog333

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Age: 26
Weight: 203
Height: 5'8"
Bf: 10%
Two previous cycles under my belt with approx 3 years of intense training.

So my goal for my next cycle is to add approx 15 lbs of dry lean muscle. I don't believe that's out of the question I respond well to aas. Just came off a beast run which gave me 17lbs( a little more wet than what I expected but still loved the stuff).

Anyhow here's my thoughts on two proposed cycles. I find I can't choose between the two. My drawback is that I've never used tren and I'm a little nervous about the sides I've read about. My experience tells me I don't react badly at all to aas but my rational side is telling me I've never used this compound...so give me the feedback bros. Tweek what I have add to or take away.

Cycle one
Week 1-12 test e 500 mg (mon,thur)
Week 1-10 tren e 400mg ( mon,thur)
Caber not sure on dosing I think .5 eod
Arimidex not sure dosing
Need2 guard
Hcgenerate

Pct

Clomid 25/12/12/12
Unleashed/post
Formastanzol 5 pumps 2x's

Cycle two

Week 1-12 test e 500 mg ( mon,thur)
Week 6-12 anavar 60/60/70/70/80/80 (Ed)
Week 6-12 proviron 60/60/70/70/80/80 (Ed)
Hcgenerate
Need2 guard

Pct

Same as above
 
Both are good cycles bro, but if your gonna use tren for the first time, plus if your nervous I would use Tren ace and not Tren E. That way of anything bad should happen, you can come off and it'll be out your system. If you can't overcome your nerves about Tren, then that second cycle is the clear choice.
 
moya said:
tren e is garbage... use ace
nolva aint all that bad... worked for me when i started out... works for many people all over the world for years...
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Actually it hasn't. You just managed to recover and not feel the side effects of nolvadex. It does not restore HPTA.
 
i agree if you were to run tren, you should run ace first.. to see how the sides are for you. but you don't have too. your caber dosage should be between .25 - .5 mg and you should not have to dose more than twice per week.. u will want to run this the entire cycle and maybe a little into pct since u are using the longer estered tren. the armidex dose should be .5 mg every other day. you can adjust depending on if u are having any estro related sides.. but that dosing should work well.

both cycles look good. i would say for your goals the first one would work better for you. you could even consider combining both of them. running test and tren then having anavar on the back end.
 
also.. proviron works excellent with anavar, but it also can greatly help any cycle. you could run provi on either cycle. starting it from the beginning would be an excellent idea.. any where from 25-100 mgs a day
 
Does anyone know what the side effects as far as libido goes when it comes to proviron? Haven't been able to find very much.
 
Bulldog333 said:
Does anyone know what the side effects as far as libido goes when it comes to proviron? Haven't been able to find very much.
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Most people get a large increase in libido. I've personally never ran it but the research I've found convinced me to never run test again without it.


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Here are the rules:

1) First tren run should always be ace for obvious reasons...being able to stop sides quickly ect...dose controlling faster ect...

2) Never involve nolva with any nadrolone or nardrolone derivitave, Tren, Deca ect...



These are common sense safety rules. Follow them or break them. Its up to you.



Also go real easy with the a-dex. If you dont bloat easily and arent prone to gyno then I would go with less is more until you need more. I personally dont even run an AI with 500mg test. I would go maybe .25mg e3d and start there. Keeping estrogen in check is important with tren being in there too though. Definatley going to want to have the caber in there more so than the adex. But too many guys use way too much adex and it hurts their gains. You need some estrogen. It balances you out and lubes your joints. I tried 12.5mg e3d of aromasin on a measly 375mg test c wk and it was still way too much. Dropped it completely and felt a million times better. Aromasin and adex work differently but generally you get the idea(1mg arimidex = 25mg aromasin....more or less for the sake of argument)
 
Could I get by with pinning the tren eod to start? Reason being to keep test an tren pinning on same day. If I start experiencing sides I could always bump the pins to Ed to steady blood levels right?
 
Man I'm pumped about this one. The only other question I have is on pin size? U hear a lot of different takes on length and gauge. Some say a slinpin will work and others up to an 18!!! What is the best for pinning the test and tren?
 
Bulldog333 said:
Man I'm pumped about this one. The only other question I have is on pin size? U hear a lot of different takes on length and gauge. Some say a slinpin will work and others up to an 18!!! What is the best for pinning the test and tren?
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18's are for idiots. I dont even draw with an 18g. I use 20-21g to draw. 18's take chunks out of the stopper.

heres always been my rule. 23g x1.5" for glutes. 25g x1" for everywhere else. if you have some killer gear that will go through a 27 then use a 27g x1"
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
18's are for idiots. I dont even draw with an 18g. I use 20-21g to draw. 18's take chunks out of the stopper.

heres always been my rule. 23g x1.5" for glutes. 25g x1" for everywhere else. if you have some killer gear that will go through a 27 then use a 27g x1"
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I agree with you all the way man. 22g to draw and 25g to pin for me. I couldn't imagine the pain of pinning with an 18g. That's not a needle, its a fucking harpoon!!
 
RickRock13 said:
I agree with you all the way man. 22g to draw and 25g to pin for me. I couldn't imagine the pain of pinning with an 18g. That's not a needle, its a fucking harpoon!!
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i've pinned with an 18g... you'll only do it one time that's for sure..

oh those were the days to be so young and dumb, i just forgot, the 18's are only good for brewing and even then too much damage is done to the stopper for sure..
 
SpyWizard said:
i've pinned with an 18g... you'll only do it one time that's for sure..

oh those were the days to be so young and dumb, i just forgot, the 18's are only good for brewing and even then too much damage is done to the stopper for sure..
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Ouch! You're not a turkey bro lol
 
Yea no shit. The person who recommended the 18 ga said there reasoning for using such a big pin was to preserve the molecular structure of the compound. I'm no chemist so it seemed somewhat logical... I guess there would be some validity to that statement if the test molecules were the size of chihuahua
 
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