decca or tren for size?

[EricG]

Hey just wondering which if i should encoporate tren or decca in my next cycle along with EQ and test. Looking to BULK(following a bulking diet and exersize routine), undecided if i should just go with the decca and keep tren for a cutter :S

Any advice would be apreciated,

-Eric

Ps my cycle is going to be

Test 750mg/w 1-14
Decca 400mg week 1-12 OR tren ace 1-9 50mg/d
EQ 400-600mg/w

might throw in some a bombs i dont know, never tried them yet

 

[the_alcatraz]

Deccaaa!!!!!!

 

[EricG]

Deccaaa!!!!!!

Really, I've never ran decca yet and I want to try it. I have a clean diet so I shouldn't look too bloated which im a little concerned about but what the hell its winter almost.

Does decca give you agresion in the gym? I was kind of looking forward to that hehe , but i know i should run decca prolly and have a bulker and save tren for cutting next summer.

-Eric

 

[the_alcatraz]

Decca Durabolin, Nandrolone Deccanoate

Trivial name Nandrolone decanoate [USAN]

Chemical name* 17beta-Hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one 17-decanoate

Systematic Name [(8R,9S,10R,13S,14S,17S)-13-methyl-3-oxo-2,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,15,16,17-dodecahydro-1H-cyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-yl] decanoate

Index name Estr-4-en-3-one, 17-((1-oxodecyl)oxy)-, (17beta)-

Chemical formula C28-H44-O3

Molecular weight 428.647 g/mol

Routes of administration Intramuscular

It will def. give you nice "bulking" gains, it will help your joints and your weights should go up. Not sure about aggression, but the test will increase your aggression.

Test + Decca is a great cycle.

 

[EricG]

Sweet, thanks for your help. I start my cycle in about 2 weeks, ill let you know how it goes.

-Eric

 

[the_alcatraz]

I did not notice that you wanted to put decca in a cycle that already has Equipose.

Do not add decca if you're already taking equipose.

Equipose = Boldenone ---> I prefer this over decca, but it's similar enough to nandrolone deccanoate and it should be added in the same cycle.

Maybe do this:

Test 500mgs EW ----Week 1-16
Decca or Equipose 400mgs EW - Week 1-14

This should be enough. I think you should leave tren out and chose either decca or equipose.

 

[EricG]

Really, how come? I thought test/decca/eq was a standard bulking cycle lol. I know 2 guys that ran it and had good results but then again that doesn't really mean anything with them lol.

Is it because there too similar or bad side effects combined?

-Eric

 

[DJ_UFO]

dekka

 

[the_alcatraz]

Really, how come? I thought test/decca/eq was a standard bulking cycle lol. I know 2 guys that ran it and had good results but then again that doesn't really mean anything with them lol.

Is it because there too similar or bad side effects combined?

-Eric

Bro, I should have probably said "In my opinion" lol

I dont like or dnt tell anyone to run equipose at the same time with decca...I would say go with either one..

Personally, I prefer equipose = boldenone for several reasons:

1- I believe that Boldenone undecylenate is like a stronger version of decca

2- I like the fact that it is very versatile and can be used with several diff. compounds and still be very effective. Love to use it with decca.

3- I'm 95% certain that it converts to estrogen at a slower rate than decca

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

Bump^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
drop the EQ or Deca.
just do one or the other
both will work for bulking
deca being a little more water retentive
while Eq being a litte dryer and easier to control bloat

If i was bulking I would go with DECA

 

[ALIN]

Deccaaa!!!!!!

for overall mass gains,,,I would say DECA,,,but if bulking diet TREN can be very effective for adding size,

 

[the_alcatraz]

Bump^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
drop the EQ or Deca.
just do one or the other
both will work for bulking
deca being a little more water retentive
while Eq being a litte dryer and easier to control bloat

If i was bulking I would go with DECA

Both can be used for bulking bro, but the Eq is a little more versatile.

 

[bw1]

I did not notice that you wanted to put decca in a cycle that already has Equipose.

Do not add decca if you're already taking equipose.

Equipose = Boldenone ---> I prefer this over decca, but it's similar enough to nandrolone deccanoate and it should be added in the same cycle.

Maybe do this:

Test 500mgs EW ----Week 1-16
Decca or Equipose 400mgs EW - Week 1-14

This should be enough. I think you should leave tren out and chose either decca or equipose.

I disagree, Deca and EQ are good together. Actually running smaller doses of each together, instead of running run at a higher dose, can help limit sides of each. They work good together.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I disagree, Deca and EQ are good together. Actually running smaller doses of each together, instead of running run at a higher dose, can help limit sides of each. They work good together.

Please explain why you think they work well together and how they eliminate or help eliminate each other's sides?

 

[bw1]

Please explain why you think they work well together and how they eliminate or help eliminate each other's sides?

Some info:

Author L Rea on stacking Nandrolone and Boldenone:

Only a few years ago many would have replied to this with the silly answer of "…boldenone (EQ/Equipoise) and nandrolone decanoate (deca) are the same in effect so why stack?"


Boldenone is similar to testosterone in anabolic action with only about 50% the aromatization rate (conversion to estrogens). It is only moderately androgenic yet provides a hardening effect commonly realized due to the employment of highly androgenic non-aromatizing AAS (Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids). Since boldenone increases red blood cell production an increase in vascularity is often reported as well as rapid recovery between work-sets. This is great if the red blood cell count does not reach a point of excess leading to blood clots. The result of these qualities is a highly anabolic environment with low water retention and few reported cases of gynecomastia (bitch tits). Unfortunately boldenone is a veterinary drug only.



Nandrolone is a progestin of sorts (having progesterone-like qualities) that aromatizes at about 20% the rate of testosterone. Its aromatization product is a nor-estrogen having much less estrogenic activity. It is more anabolic than testosterone and low to moderately androgenic. The result of these qualities should be a very high rate of protein synthesis (muscular growth), no female pattern fat deposits or gynecomastia, with a dry and hard look to the physique…but it doesn’t. (Huh?) Since it has progestin qualities the drug is able to interact with progesterone receptors and cause water retention and bitch tits. (But it gets worse) Additionally the progesterone effect can have an inhibitory effect upon libido (Looking semi-hard but not in a manner of speaking).



Several AAS users have reported a beneficial value to co-administration of lower dosages of both boldenone and nandrolone in comparison to high dosages of one or the other. This is due to the resulting degree of negative potential side effect cancellation: The androgenic value of boldenone seems to cancel the anti-libido effect of nandrolone and the reduction in necessary boldenone dosages decreases the excessive red blood cell production concern. The reduction in progesterone-like activity and reduced total circulating estrogens (from aromatization) also reduces the chances of winning a wet T-shirt contest and a much harder musculature.



My observations have always been that 1.5-2mg per pound of body weight each of boldenone and nandrolone weekly resulted in fewer negative side effects and better lean tissue accruement than 3-4mg per pound of body weight weekly of either alone.

By the way, the idea of canceling each other out is an oxymoron. AAS molecules do not cancel each other; they replace one another in occupying the androgen receptors on/in muscle and other cells. The period of time an AAS molecule remains in a given androgen receptor (binding time) is determined by its structure…not by what other molecules are around to piss it off. Geez!

 

[EricG]

hmm sweet. Well im not sure what ill do, but ill let you guys know. So many options lol.

Thanks for all the info guys,

-Eric

 

[DannoMight]

deca for mass also food is very important. You can add teh eq if you want as it does help some with their appetite.

 

[wee_man]

I like deca better than EQ. I gained more weight and got stronger using deca. I've never ran them at the same time, but I will in the future.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Interesting read bro...thnx

I've always favored Boldenone over nandrolone deccanoate, but I might give this a shot...

What's the detection rate of Equipose? same as decca?

Some info:

Author L Rea on stacking Nandrolone and Boldenone:

Only a few years ago many would have replied to this with the silly answer of "…boldenone (EQ/Equipoise) and nandrolone decanoate (deca) are the same in effect so why stack?"


Boldenone is similar to testosterone in anabolic action with only about 50% the aromatization rate (conversion to estrogens). It is only moderately androgenic yet provides a hardening effect commonly realized due to the employment of highly androgenic non-aromatizing AAS (Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids). Since boldenone increases red blood cell production an increase in vascularity is often reported as well as rapid recovery between work-sets. This is great if the red blood cell count does not reach a point of excess leading to blood clots. The result of these qualities is a highly anabolic environment with low water retention and few reported cases of gynecomastia (bitch tits). Unfortunately boldenone is a veterinary drug only.



Nandrolone is a progestin of sorts (having progesterone-like qualities) that aromatizes at about 20% the rate of testosterone. Its aromatization product is a nor-estrogen having much less estrogenic activity. It is more anabolic than testosterone and low to moderately androgenic. The result of these qualities should be a very high rate of protein synthesis (muscular growth), no female pattern fat deposits or gynecomastia, with a dry and hard look to the physique…but it doesn’t. (Huh?) Since it has progestin qualities the drug is able to interact with progesterone receptors and cause water retention and bitch tits. (But it gets worse) Additionally the progesterone effect can have an inhibitory effect upon libido (Looking semi-hard but not in a manner of speaking).



Several AAS users have reported a beneficial value to co-administration of lower dosages of both boldenone and nandrolone in comparison to high dosages of one or the other. This is due to the resulting degree of negative potential side effect cancellation: The androgenic value of boldenone seems to cancel the anti-libido effect of nandrolone and the reduction in necessary boldenone dosages decreases the excessive red blood cell production concern. The reduction in progesterone-like activity and reduced total circulating estrogens (from aromatization) also reduces the chances of winning a wet T-shirt contest and a much harder musculature.



My observations have always been that 1.5-2mg per pound of body weight each of boldenone and nandrolone weekly resulted in fewer negative side effects and better lean tissue accruement than 3-4mg per pound of body weight weekly of either alone.

By the way, the idea of canceling each other out is an oxymoron. AAS molecules do not cancel each other; they replace one another in occupying the androgen receptors on/in muscle and other cells. The period of time an AAS molecule remains in a given androgen receptor (binding time) is determined by its structure…not by what other molecules are around to piss it off. Geez!

 

[bw1]

Interesting read bro...thnx

I've always favored Boldenone over nandrolone deccanoate, but I might give this a shot...

What's the detection rate of Equipose? same as decca?

No, Deca is way longer.

Deca: 17-18 months
Boldenone:: 4-5 months

 

[the_alcatraz]

No, Deca is way longer.

Deca: 17-18 months
Boldenone:: 4-5 months

Another reason why I would favor Boldenone over decca anyday