Deca?

[zeplin7464]

Im goin to start a deca 12 week cycle at about 200-250mg/wk. what side effects can i expect, i know that using nandralone alone can shut off my test so its reccommended to have a test base, but i dont want to use any test due to side effects like aromatization, acne, etc...Deca is one of the safer AAS, correct? all advice is worth reading so please give me your input. Thanks

 

[sweed]

deca could give you a limp ding dong. along with other stuff
do the exact opposite- tes.....
wait what are your stats please

 

[zeplin7464]

what other stuff/problems?...I know alot of people who take test alone and they have alot of water retention in addition to extreme acne which is not what i want at all. i can deal with the deca dick, i have some cialis on the side. my stats are 173lbs 10%bf 5'6..21 yrs old

 

[alexl2]

I really dont see a problem running deca for a first cycle if you dont mind deca dick.

 

[zeplin7464]

yah this is my first cycle...does deca cause alot of breakouts?

 

[sweed]

You're still young. You have a great base for sure.
Test works different for everyone. It's much better alone than deca. We make test in our body, so it's much better to take what we make than to take what we don't. right?
My advice is to research for a few months before anything. This is serious stuff.
Do you know what pct is? Post cycle therapy, research it and you'll thank us. Spread the wealth to your friends

 

[zeplin7464]

yes i know what pct is like clomid, nolvadex etc...and i know our body does produce nandralones in adition to testosterone. Deca is test with one carbon atom removed at its 19th position. i was told by a sports medicine doc that at that low of a dose and my age, i really dnt need any pct because i already have so much natural test. Ive been intensley training for over 3 years 5-6 times per week, ive def hit a plateau have been researching aas for a good 6 months now...what other shit can i expect from just running one cycle of only deca, once againat no more than 250 mg/wk for 11- 12 weeks? The main reason im gunna run the deca is because of my back arthritis (degenerative discs, and deca is supposed to be excellent at relieving and joint pain and lubricating them as well, correct?

 

[zeplin7464]

more input please...someone?

 

[sweed]

deca won't fix your back problem. Be careful. don't lift heavy esp with a back problem. what are your goals?
We are here to help, not to nag you to death! haha
this board is to help

 

[zeplin7464]

deca wont fix my back i know, but it will help with the pain, no? i try now not to lift heavy overhead and i now incorporate back stregthening phys therapy excersices, any other recomendations for not further injuring my back?...my goals are getting into modeling and acting, mabey some ameture competitions. please tell me what i should be carful about? the heavy lifting or the juice? how should i put the gear to good use and somewhat safely?

 

[eddymerckx]

if you did six months of research you could teach a class on the sides of every compound out there....it is great you know the chemical structure and if you have a MD working with you why ask us?

my advice is hit up some of the books here---https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/

 

[zeplin7464]

because i like to hear everybodys opinion...one persons advice can save a life you know?
Im asking you guys because alothough he is a sports med doc, he juices himself im surein addition to hgh which im also pretty sure about because he is in perfect shape, buff, and hes in his late 50's haha...he knows alot but i feel he is not putting enough emphasis on how steroids can be harmfull and what precautions to take. he is brilliant and i trust what he has to say but he pretty much says 25o mg of deca/wk isnt gunna do any harm, didnt tell me about side effects except possible prolonged ejaculation etc, sooo i want to hear your experiences and knowledge. im also a very paranoid and precautious person who wants to know everything about everything especially before i put it in my body

 

[eddymerckx]

you need a base of knowledge--there are two books that will give you a ton on knowledge Chenical Muscle Enhancement and Chem Wizardry. If you want a hardcover any version of William LLwellyn's Anabolics 200x will help (cheap on amazon as used--and an absolute must for anyone thinking about gear use)

 

[zeplin7464]

Okay bottom line.... what unwanted side effects can i expect from a deca only cycle one time?

 

[eddymerckx]

 

[zeplin7464]

will adding proviron throughout the cycle bennefit by increasing androgenic activity?

 

[alexl2]

Bro, if your so terrified of the side effects, then dont do it. 250 mg of deca is pretty mild.

 

[zeplin7464]

goodshit im out

 

[seagull]

everyone quit being pansys and do it. 250 of deca is very mild. Sure you might get some very mild sides. Possibly limp dick 6 weeks into it. Maybe a little acne if your prone to it but other than that all other sides should be good ones. Give er hell is what I say. Sounds like you know what your doing more than most people on here.

 

[sweed]

everyone quit being pansys and do it. 250 of deca is very mild. Sure you might get some very mild sides. Possibly limp dick 6 weeks into it. Maybe a little acne if your prone to it but other than that all other sides should be good ones. Give er hell is what I say. Sounds like you know what your doing more than most people on here.

great advice

If everyone gave this advice we'd be telling 17 yr olds it's fine to do a deca/dbol cycle for 6 weeks.....

This is not how this board works my friend. we are here to help people, and this guy needs it.

OP Please research!!

 

[hog#head#cheese]

repost

 

[machine316]

well the good things is he shouldn't have to much problem with deca dick with his age. the bad thing is he is juicing at his age! dude you said it your self your body is producing alot of natural test at your age. you don't need it yet. just get serious about your diet and stay consistent and most importantly intense in the gym.

 

[zeplin7464]

my diet and lifting arevery consistent, int he past year ive put about 10 lbs on and droped roughly 3% of bf. i was actually just informed byt he doc that only 100 mg of deca would be needed to start followed by 200 in the middle then ending with 2. this cycle is not so much for gains and looks rather then to help ease joint pain in my back

 

[FunFun]

i was told by a sports medicine doc that at that low of a dose and my age, i really dnt need any PCT - post cycle therapy - because i already have so much natural test.

This comment leads me to believe both you and your doc don't have a clue.

It doesn't matter how good your own natural test production is, it's been well documented (and you'll find this information on many informative sites about deca) that one single 100 mg deca shot shuts down the body's own test production. I don't think there is a compound that shuts down the body's own test production more completely than deca, ml for ml.

After injecting 250 mg of deca for many weeks, you'll have no natural test production to speak of. PCT is very important after such a cycle.

I'd be very curious to know how well cialis combats deca dick?

 

[*The_West*]

This comment leads me to believe both you and your doc don't have a clue.

It doesn't matter how good your own natural test production is, it's been well documented (and you'll find this information on many informative sites about deca) that one single 100 mg deca shot shuts down the body's own test production. I don't think there is a compound that shuts down the body's own test production more completely than deca, ml for ml.

After injecting 250 mg of deca for many weeks, you'll have no natural test production to speak of. PCT is very important after such a cycle.

I'd be very curious to know how well cialis combats deca dick?

where has it been "well documented" that one single 100mg shot of deca will shut you down? that is bullshit mate.

 

[*The_West*]

"shut down" being the complete and unreversable cessation of your bodies ability to produce an adequate amount of testosterone ever again.

 

[zeplin7464]

regardless, a body wants to reach homeostasis, and it may take longer but natural test production will obviously kick back into action when it realizes it isnt getting an outside source.

 

[eddymerckx]

needto said it yesterday--this board is best for narrow questions after doing all the research on your own and troubleshooting unique issues--or thinking out loud about new ideas---"not what are the side of deca" ----that is a google question or, as i said above, from one of the great books out there--all are less than $50.....and the e-books will not stick out on your bookshelf.

 

[wootoom]

Bro, if your so terrified of the side effects, then dont do it. 250 mg of deca is pretty mild.

good point

 

[FunFun]

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[FunFun]

"shut down" being the complete and unreversable cessation of your bodies ability to produce an adequate amount of testosterone ever again.

That's bullshit mate. "shut down" means shut down. You're added the "unreversable cessation" and "ever again" for dramatic effect haven't you?

 

[wootoom]

i doubt 100mg/ew would shut you down

 

[*The_West*]

Please, enough with the flaming. I'm amazed you've never come across the research mate.

no, i think you are not understanding what you have read. i think you are confusing the terms 'suppression' and 'shut down' 1 single 100mg shot of deca is not going to 'shut you down' because if it did, that is saying by injecting 100mg of deca your body will never be able to naturally produce an adequate level of test, ever again. it may 'suppress' your bodies ability to naturally produce test, but it will return.

 

[FunFun]

no, i think you are not understanding what you have read. i think you are confusing the terms 'suppression' and 'shut down' 1 single 100mg shot of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is not going to 'shut you down' because if it did, that is saying by injecting 100mg of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - your body will never be able to naturally produce an adequate level of test, ever again. it may 'suppress' your bodies ability to naturally produce test, but it will return.

Understood.

Let me rephrase then: Deca is very suppressive and even 100 mg can be shown to suppress natural test production.

I don't view "shut down" the same as you do, but point taken.

Peace.

 

[FunFun]

regardless, a body wants to reach homeostasis,

A body can only undo so much outside intervention regardless of whether or not it WANTS to reach homeostasis, the question should be: can it?

If this wasn't so, we'd never age and die would we?

 

[zeplin7464]

regaurdless, a first cycle of deca will not screw up my hormonal secretion so much that it will stop producing test. once im done if dnt take a pct it may take longer to jump back into gear, but never the less it will...by stating that 100mg of nandralone/ wk will permantley screw up my test production without pct is the most absurd statement of the year.

 

[*The_West*]

regaurdless, a first cycle of deca will not screw up my hormonal secretion so much that it will stop producing test. once im done if dnt take a pct it may take longer to jump back into gear, but never the less it will...by stating that 100mg of nandralone/ wk will permantley screw up my test production without pct is the most absurd statement of the year.

not to put a downer on you or anything, but just because it is your first cycle it is still capable of shutting you down, ok, yeah, its not likely, but why take a chance with something like this? this is why utilising an effective pct is of the utmost importance.

 

[FunFun]

regaurdless, a first cycle of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - will not screw up my hormonal secretion so much that it will stop producing test. once im done if dnt take a PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - it may take longer to jump back into gear, but never the less it will...by stating that 100mg of nandralone/ wk will permantley screw up my test production without PCT - post cycle therapy - is the most absurd statement of the year..

First of all, you will NOT find a statement from me stating that 100 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - will permanently screw up your test production. You dreamt that one up yourself.

Secondly, if you don't use PCT after your cycle and allow your body to reach homeostasis naturally in its own time, while your body is slowly bringing you back to normal (as you confidently believe it will) you will lose your cycle gains while you struggle with low test levels.

That's not a very intelligence approach is it?

 

[eddymerckx]

regaurdless, a first cycle of deca will not screw up my hormonal secretion so much that it will stop producing test. once im done if dnt take a pct it may take longer to jump back into gear, but never the less it will...by stating that 100mg of nandralone/ wk will permantley screw up my test production without pct is the most absurd statement of the year.[/QUOTE]

if you are so certain about this why are you even asking any questions???--you clearly are the final authority on deca.

one thing you will learn about these compounds is that there are few rules that apply to everyone---the effective dose, sides, etc differ from person to person and there will always be those that are predisposed to certain harsh sides.....yes, you can recover natty in a few months or a couple of years---but all those studies--and i have read them-- show that every so often one person remains hypogonadic--even after low doses.

I have 10+ years of making mistakes doing gear (and every other bro will back me up on this--we all did some compound that did not work the way is worked for everyone else)---and that is with a solid knowledge base--we cannot tell you how you will react--anyone who can, please also give me the next set of powerball numbers

again, you need to start from the ground-up---i gave you links to books above--i strongly suggest you start there---esp. any book by Nelson.

 

[Varga]

First off if I were 21 I wouldnt get involved with any steroids BUT since you bent on doing them the only compound I would start off with is primobolan.
Deca is a good compound that I happen to like a lot but it is suppresive as some here mentioned much more than primo.

You prob wouldnt know the diference since you just starting but once you go through the cycle and gain more experience you will agree