Deca users and deca haters.

[gainerxxl]

Deca's a sucky, outdated drug. 400mgs of test will produce better results than 600mgs of Deca and with less side effects. Why use something that kills your libido?

An equal amount of Primo will provide as much muscle with, like, zero side effects and no bloat.(Which makes people think it isn't as strong).

Sorry bro, but deca is quite a bit stronger then Primo. 200mg of primo produce near zero results, while 200mg of deca can give a newbie great gains. Primo is way overpriced and you´ll have a hard time getting legit primo.

 

[akathegame]

xxl,

The reasons guys like deca are well documented and I wouldn't argue against them. The thing is, you can get similar gains from test dosed at similar levels and I weould contend that deca is more dangerous from a side effects point. To put it simply, I think deca has been mislabled as a friendly form of gear. It is effective and has a definitely place in the juicers arsenal, but its difficulty to manage should be noted. Two serious character flaws with deca are estro/prolactin and HTPA suppression. Both of the problems are issues with test and many other drugs, but deca will make solving these issues far more difficult. With test, you run into estro problems and you know immediately that you need to grab some arimidex and address the issue. With deca, the problem could be conversion to estrogen (so you need some arimi also) or it could be prolactin (so you need some bromo) and even the you may not solve the problem. With test suppression, I can just tell you that deca leads to a far longer period of HTPA recovery than any other form of juice from my experience. My point overall is, that I can't dispute the reasons guys like deca. The stuff can kick ass especially as a moderate andro/high anabolic when its stacked with some fast acting andro like test susp. or dbol. The thing is, deca is not without its drawbacks. For bros fairly new to the game I'd say a far lot more can be gained with a whole lot less grief and a whole lot od saved cash going with good old test.

 

[akathegame]

xxl,

The reasons guys like deca are well documented and I wouldn't argue against them. The thing is, you can get similar gains from test dosed at similar levels and I weould contend that deca is more dangerous from a side effects point. To put it simply, I think deca has been mislabled as a friendly form of gear. It is effective and has a definitely place in the juicers arsenal, but its difficulty to manage should be noted. Two serious character flaws with deca are estro/prolactin and HTPA suppression. Both of the problems are issues with test and many other drugs, but deca will make solving these issues far more difficult. With test, you run into estro problems and you know immediately that you need to grab some arimidex and address the issue. With deca, the problem could be conversion to estrogen (so you need some arimi also) or it could be prolactin (so you need some bromo) and even the you may not solve the problem. With test suppression, I can just tell you that deca leads to a far longer period of HTPA recovery than any other form of juice from my experience. My point overall is, that I can't dispute the reasons guys like deca. The stuff can kick ass especially as a moderate andro/high anabolic when its stacked with some fast acting andro like test susp. or dbol. The thing is, deca is not without its drawbacks. For bros fairly new to the game I'd say a far lot more can be gained with a whole lot less grief and a whole lot od saved cash going with good old test. Also, between you and I, although it is a high priced item that can often be faked, if you can get your hands on some real primobolan it can be every bit as valuable as deca. You're right in saying it won't produce the same gains mg for mg as deca, but if you offered me either a amp of primo or an amp of deca I'll take the primo everytime. Just my preference and cycle methodology though. Hope this is of some help bro. Out

 

[WillBrink]

Anyone who hates Deca has never used real Deca.

Will Brink

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sorry Will, your presumption (accusation?) is wrong. Got it straight from the pharmacy.

Here's the deal:

Deca is bloating.

Deca will supress HPTA as much as anything else.

Deca will supress libido while you're on it. (deca dick)

Deca raises progesterone. (Whereas winny may lower it, making it a "better"stack.)

Deca will cause non-estrogebic gyno , making anti-estogens usless against it.

Deca is expensive.

"Deca" is often fake.

And yes, the reults in terms of actual muscle gained, and retained) is comparable with REAL Primo, but once again, people like to see the numbers go up on the scale -- which is what keeps prohormone salesmen in business, incidentally.

So personally, I don't know what makes the stuff so great when there are better alternatives, other than its reputation. But times are changing and we know more now. Again, a lower does of test (preferably sus) is better and safer. But to each is own.

 

[mike1107]

Sorry Will, your presumption (accusation?) is wrong. Got it straight from the pharmacy.

Here's the deal:

Deca is bloating.

Deca will supress HPTA as much as anything else.

Deca will supress libido while you're on it. (deca dick)

Deca raises progesterone. (Whereas winny may lower it, making it a "better"stack.)

Deca will cause non-estrogebic gyno , making anti-estogens usless against it.

Deca is expensive.

"Deca" is often fake.

And yes, the reults in terms of actual muscle gained, and retained) is comparable with REAL Primo, but once again, people like to see the numbers go up on the scale -- which is what keeps prohormone salesmen in business, incidentally.

So personally, I don't know what makes the stuff so great when there are better alternatives, other than its reputation. But times are changing and we know more now. Again, a lower does of test (preferably sus) is better and safer. But to each is own.

I don't agree 100% with that bro...
to avoid bloat use femara
the progesteron gyno canbe avoided by using ru486 or winny
for the libido,stack it with test
I don't find it expensive..
Fuck,your right: it's hard to find real deca...

but I think it can give great gains with minimal problems when stacked properly...just my .02.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mike:

Your retort proves my point.

Per week you'll need deca, plus femare, plus ru 486 (which I wouldn't be comfortable using) and you STILL need test.

Total weekly cost? About 75 bucks? Why not use 75 bucks worth of sus? It's cleaner and you'll get better results. (Actually, $75 worth of sus would be off the chart for me, but you get my point)

 

[dropbombs]

i used TT300 deca last year for my first cycle and got tremendous results.

put on 28 pounds and my max bench went up 100 pounds, squat went up 205lbs....

post cycle with no clomid--experienced lack of sex drive...would avoid having sex with my fiancee at all costs...didnt know why til i got to elitefitness and actually learned something about AS.

no clomid=lose all gains...would have been great if I could have kept 80 percent of gains.

 

[oneandthesame]

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deca is great. I feel it kicks ass. However I probably will only use it this one last time, after which test and eq will probably be my choice sense I get a little bit of bloat with deca. Still it is a great muscle gainer. Nips do get a perky but shit even test does that to em.