Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Ok i know this is a no go for most and in not saying im going to start this tomorrow or anything just want some views on it, ive ran deca at 600mg a week and ive ran a course of tren which was parabolan (strong ass shit! Blew tren ace out the water for me) at 400mg a week in different cycles of course. Never had any issues with sides none at all. Also if running both at deca 375mg a week and tren ace at 400mg a week plus winstrol depot at 400mg a week with test at 400mg a week, would the winstrol not control estrogen and in turn not bring on the sides that is said running both together does? Also using adex to control eatrogen with the winstrol looks like can be a hell of a bulker/ripped cycle???
Deca + tren sides how likely?
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Does it not hold true that if estrogen is controlled then the progesterone sides do not arise either? Dont know the exact science or anything, may not be true but have heard something alone those lines, and with winny and adex might be able to prevent anything, also never experienced any side even on tren dbol without test so maybe an individual thing?
you are asking a lot of questions that aren't black and white to answer.
this is why its important to learn as you go to know how your own body reacts. if this is your first cycle you want to run 1 compound and then go from there. you don't come in and run 4 compounds cause you aren't gonna know how to react.
now i'm assuming this isn't your first rodeo so what i will tell you is bloodwork is gonna be crucial as you go to see how your body is reacting. and if something goes wrong you can always stop taking a compound or two.
i can almost assure you based on the fact that i am not prone to hairloss that winny+tren is gonna murder your hair.. if it murdered my hair then it will murder anyones hair. i would definately stock up on n2shampoo if you like your hair
this is why its important to learn as you go to know how your own body reacts. if this is your first cycle you want to run 1 compound and then go from there. you don't come in and run 4 compounds cause you aren't gonna know how to react.
now i'm assuming this isn't your first rodeo so what i will tell you is bloodwork is gonna be crucial as you go to see how your body is reacting. and if something goes wrong you can always stop taking a compound or two.
i can almost assure you based on the fact that i am not prone to hairloss that winny+tren is gonna murder your hair.. if it murdered my hair then it will murder anyones hair. i would definately stock up on n2shampoo if you like your hair
Ok guys the only reason for running the deca through the tren/winny was for joint support but seen as deca is in the body for a couple of weeks would it still offer joint benefits if the deca was to be run for 10weeks then dropped as the tren/winny is started for 5weeks? I would happily consider running the tren/test/winny seperate from the tren if joint ache was not a problem
wow now you are opening up another can of worms.
are you sure your form is correct?
are you sure you aren't aggravating an existing injury?
are you sure you are eating enough omega fats?
are you sure you are taking in enough gluco/fish/krill oil?
a lot of guys who complain about joint pain are just guys who have sustained an injury and kept pounding away on it. in that case unfortunately your chances of getting that solved is slim unless you cut way back on your lifting. and that isn't realistic in a lot of cases.
i been down that road myself over the years. its hard to pullback but you have to.. try cutting your weights in half.. so if you are benching 300, cut back to 150 .. i know that its hard to do cause its all about ego in the gym but trust me do this for the next 3 months and your joint issues will get much better. trust me i did this same type of deloading myself and today I am 100% healthy, it works wonders. and i would deload anyway atleast 3X per year for 2 weeks minimum
and I would NOT touch steroids during this time either. run some SARM's that are joint friendly. if you juice it up you are just gonna injure yourself more especially tren lol.. in the future if you start getting injuries you need to pullback sooner, don't wait till it keeps getting worse.
Thanx for the advice though maybe im not giving enough info when i say things. I dont have any joint pains or issues but its first time trying winstrol and its known for that is it not? So was just thinking about deca with it to prevent it from occuring, what about the idea of the deca for first ten weeks and dropping it when startn tren winny with the idea of the deca still hanging around for a couple of weeks protecting the joints from the winny?
^^^ that info i gave hopefully can help someone else.
yes it helps to give more info bro, this is why we ask guys who are new to give us as much info as possible so there isn't confusion.
i would play winny by ear.. everyone is difference.. once again like i said above there isn't a black and white answer to your issue. i ran winny and i lost hair on the stuff, so i cut it down to 25mg a day.. so play around with the dosages the same way .. if you get joint issues just stop it instead of adding in another compound.. that is my advice
yes it helps to give more info bro, this is why we ask guys who are new to give us as much info as possible so there isn't confusion.
i would play winny by ear.. everyone is difference.. once again like i said above there isn't a black and white answer to your issue. i ran winny and i lost hair on the stuff, so i cut it down to 25mg a day.. so play around with the dosages the same way .. if you get joint issues just stop it instead of adding in another compound.. that is my advice
Yh thats probably the best thing to do take it as it comes im gna run the deca sus bfor the tren, prop and winny. Ive done 2test deca cycles and 3tren cycles two with dbol no test ( i know the feeling on this but i liked it!) and one parabolan test cycle my best parabolan kiks ass! This is the plan - week 1-10 deca 500mg sus 500mg
11-15 test prop tren ace and winstrol depot all at 400mg
11-15 test prop tren ace and winstrol depot all at 400mg
AnthonyMarco
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True, real, and well put.
I have been there too, and the only thing that will heal you is taking it easy. It sucks, but once you heal not only can you hit it even harder, but you also know how to better prevent such things from occurring in the future.
Ok im going to actually listen to those with more experience and knowledge and keep it to a sus and deca cycle 10weeks 500mg each and ill follow it with a seperate cycle of winny test and tren to cut, instead of taking on too much in the one ill focus on giving it my all on the bulk first. I really want to keep it s clean bulk tho no fat gain and i know sus and deca is good enough shit to do what i need if my diet is on check, since im wanting a clean bulk wt about 50% protein, 30carbs and 20fats? And keeping it at 500cals max above maintenance, my metabolism i would say is not the fast by any means quite slow tbh but on deca i know calories can get used up easily, and tips on the diet side from experience what i should change? Im always moderate to low carbs in comparison to protein feel shit when go too high on the carbs. First cycle on sus and deca i gained easily as it was my first cycle felt as of anything i ate turned to instant muscle lol, but really want to perfect my diet for this one!
