Deca + Test e advice pct and dosage

[alluring]

Hey guys,

im 23, 5"8 165lbs

plan on doing my first proper cycle Im thinking of doing a Deca + test e cycle for 10 weeks,

initially was going to do Sustanon250 @ 500mg/week but realise i might not be able to get the pharmaceutical grade from oregano so switching to deca + test enthanate - any suggestions on the dose? attempting to Bulk and gain 30 pounds of lean mass.

my initial pct was set out for Sustanon250

OCT
hcgen @4caps/day beginning of cycle all the way through to pct
arimidex @0.25mg eod
Need2guard 1 serving(7caps)/day from start through to pct and beyond

PCT:
HCG @ 1000iu for 5days, day after last shot
unleashed+postcycle (as directed)
phytoserms347
Aromasin
wk1/wk2/wk3/wk4
Nolvadex 20/ 20 / 10 / 10
Clomid 50/ 50/ 25 / 25

should i take dostinex if i take deca ? preventing ''deca dick'' ?
also how many times should i inject with deca + test e ? im thinking 300mg each just mix in syringe and once a week? with sus i was going to inject 0.5cc eod adding up to around 500mg/week

and are there more/different sides with deca + test e i should be aware of, im more familiar with Sustanon250
comments much appreciated guys! thanks!!!

 

[richardbraden]

I suggest to you = only run the test for ur first cycle

GL bro

 

[kc17]

do a Test cycle maybe throw an oral the first 4 weeks...that should yield roughly 15 lbs if you eat properly and train hard !!! leave the deca for your next cycle bro..

 

[stevesmi]

seems like you've done some research here and set yourself up with a good PCT.

but with a first cycle you do not want to run tren or deca. save it for a later time unless you want to stress over recovery.... read the countless threads of people who have run tren/deca as first cycles and now are shutdown. not worth it at all. you are too young to Fk up yourself like that. tren/deca i would never recommend for anyone your age.

you can aquire good gains on just test and some dbol low dose as a first cycle.

 

[alluring]

ah yeh ive read libido will drop because the deca wont bind to your receptor sites responsible for libido...
i should be alright if i combine deca With test e though shouldnt i... test e at a higher dose
250ml deca 500ml test e
or if i dont benefit from so much extra test
250ml deca 300ml test e (or will i benefit from the extra test in above dose?)

i also plan to run test e for an extra week then deca


and with deca+test e do i only need to inject once a week?
250deca+500test e together once a week
or say
250ml deca + 250ml test e every monday for 10weeks
250ml test every friday for 10weeks

 

[alluring]

seems like you've done some research here and set yourself up with a good PCT.

but with a first cycle you do not want to run tren or deca. save it for a later time unless you want to stress over recovery.... read the countless threads of people who have run tren/deca as first cycles and now are shutdown. not worth it at all. you are too young to Fk up yourself like that. tren/deca i would never recommend for anyone your age.

you can aquire good gains on just test and some dbol low dose as a first cycle.

my PCT should prevent shut down shouldnt it (and what will be the difference if it was my first or second cycle?) just wondering...

wouldnt i yield same sides but as long as i have the right pct whatever will happen in my first cycle will happen in my second?

thats why im trying to get as much info on OCT and PCT before i look into getting the AAS

btw thanks for the replies, much appreciated

 

[gymjunkie09]

ah yeh ive read libido will drop because the deca wont bind to your receptor sites responsible for libido...
i should be alright if i combine deca With test e though shouldnt i... test e at a higher dose
250ml deca 500ml test e
or if i dont benefit from so much extra test
250ml deca 300ml test e (or will i benefit from the extra test in above dose?)

i also plan to run test e for an extra week then deca


and with deca+test e do i only need to inject once a week?
250deca+500test e together once a week
or say
250ml deca + 250ml test e every monday for 10weeks
250ml test every friday for 10weeks

if u insist on running deca with ur first cycle then:

Test e 500mg/week 1-12
Deca 300mg/week 1-10

Proviron would be a good addition at 50mg/ed

drop the nolva in pct

Hcg 250iu's 2x/week from week 3 up till pct

Dostinex would also be a good idea

Pct
Hcgenerate
Pct/unleashed combo
Clomid 25mg/ed

This basically what I ran for my first cycle...I'm 1 week into pct now and have had no issues but I also had a ton of support as I was competing in the transformation contest here so I would think twice about it

 

[alluring]

Yeh i think i am just going to do Test e @ 500mg for 12weeks

and stick with my original pct...

i dont want to dose 800mg of aas a week therefore just going to stick with 500mg test e alone, but just wondering if anyone could tell me what the benefit of stacking deca with test e.

is it just that deca is a bit more anabolic and less androgenic?
So say the stack was 300mg deca and 500mg test e
as to 800mg test e alone

 

[aj13]

Yeh i think i am just going to do Test e @ 500mg for 12weeks

and stick with my original pct...

i dont want to dose 800mg of aas a week therefore just going to stick with 500mg test e alone, but just wondering if anyone could tell me what the benefit of stacking deca with test e.

is it just that deca is a bit more anabolic and less androgenic?
So say the stack was 300mg deca and 500mg test e
as to 800mg test e alone

Hey dude, its kinda gone round that you use double test to deca ratio but this isnt necessarily true. If you wish to run test on its own I think that would be wise given it is your first cycle. If you get any bad sides you want to know which one is causing it. I would suggest with the test @ 500mg/week for 10 - 12 weeks. I wouldnt stress too much about it being UGL as opposed to pharm grade as alot of the time its just as good - the fact of the matter is we'll never know unless you get it sent to a lab - and even then the very next vial by the same manufacturer could be different. So for arguments sake just assume that the test from the UGL is exactly the same.

As far as PCT goes I can see you've done some research, however I think you've gone a bit overkill on the pharmaceuticals, I think only nolva is required and if you have need2's products i.e. Post cycle, unleashed, phytoserms, hcgenerate, bridge - then use as many as you feel necessary - the mroe the better with Needto's stuff!

as far as nolva goes run it for 4 weeks, 20/20/20/20 or some may argue 40/40/20/20 - I personally run 20/20/20/20.

Good luck!

 

[stevesmi]

Hey dude, its kinda gone round that you use double test to deca ratio but this isnt necessarily true. !

for me it definately wasn't true.. i was horny as hell with 300-400 deca and 500 test

 

[gymjunkie09]

for me it definately wasn't true.. i was horny as hell with 300-400 deca and 500 test

yessir....until I started to get closer to the end of the cycle but I still got the job done

 

[alluring]

would hcgenerate prevent me from shutdown/shrinkage of the boys on a 500mg test e 10-12week cycle
or should i use hcgen with HCG itself - i just want to prevent it so i will recover better and keep more gains... originally i was going to use hcg after last test e shot at 1000iu/day for 5 days because i read prolonged use could hinder hcg effects...

but if hcgenerate is not strong enough, and in order to maintain my test production i would do it 250iu twice a week for entire cycle unless hcgenerate is good enough at 4 tabs a day through out cycle+pct to prevent shut down on a 500mg test e cycle?

 

[alluring]

Hey dude, its kinda gone round that you use double test to deca ratio but this isnt necessarily true. If you wish to run test on its own I think that would be wise given it is your first cycle. If you get any bad sides you want to know which one is causing it. I would suggest with the test @ 500mg/week for 10 - 12 weeks. I wouldnt stress too much about it being UGL as opposed to pharm grade as alot of the time its just as good - the fact of the matter is we'll never know unless you get it sent to a lab - and even then the very next vial by the same manufacturer could be different. So for arguments sake just assume that the test from the UGL is exactly the same.

As far as PCT goes I can see you've done some research, however I think you've gone a bit overkill on the pharmaceuticals, I think only nolva is required and if you have need2's products i.e. Post cycle, unleashed, phytoserms, hcgenerate, bridge - then use as many as you feel necessary - the mroe the better with Needto's stuff!

as far as nolva goes run it for 4 weeks, 20/20/20/20 or some may argue 40/40/20/20 - I personally run 20/20/20/20.

Good luck!

thanks bro i read a bit more into clomid and nolva will just take nolva with all my other pct!

 

[gymjunkie09]

would hcgenerate prevent me from shutdown/shrinkage of the boys on a 500mg test e 10-12week cycle
or should i use hcgen with HCG itself - i just want to prevent it so i will recover better and keep more gains... originally i was going to use hcg after last test e shot at 1000iu/day for 5 days because i read prolonged use could hinder hcg effects...

but if hcgenerate is not strong enough, and in order to maintain my test production i would do it 250iu twice a week for entire cycle unless hcgenerate is good enough at 4 tabs a day through out cycle+pct to prevent shut down on a 500mg test e cycle?

run hcg @250iu 2x/week from week 3 right up until pct and save the hcgenerate for pct and you should be good to go

 

[alluring]

run hcg @250iu 2x/week from week 3 right up until pct and save the hcgenerate for pct and you should be good to go

ok thanks bro i think im gtg after i get all my oct and pct's

 

[alluring]

last question! im planning on doing a cycle for 12 weeks... will using hcg for that extended period of time be too long? would i have to up the dose?

or 500iu hcg twice weekly from week 3 through to week 13 will do the trick?

 

[RADAR]

last question! im planning on doing a cycle for 12 weeks... will using hcg for that extended period of time be too long? would i have to up the dose?

or 500iu hcg twice weekly from week 3 through to week 13 will do the trick?

Yes and leave the deca for another cycle......Trust me!

 

[alluring]

lol i just ordered a few bottles of forma stanzol - thinking of using it for PCT as well, will it counteract with my other (drug) pcts
Nolvadex
aromasin

should be a good addition? tried searching but only get links whether to use aromasin or formestane (but i wanna use both) does anyone have any scientific reasoning on how it will help or not?

 

[alluring]

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