DECA only cycle.... who would have thought....

[baham99]

Sounds like beautiful genetics. You mentioned the good gains, but what was his natural test like, was it shut down, and how long it did take to get back? How much gains were lost? If you say no post cycle therapy, no gains lost, and no libido side-effects, I will be tipping my hat to him.

This is really unbelievable, at least I think so. He has been training now for 5 years, 24 years old, and has a very very fast metabolism. This was his 3rd cycle and wanted to see what results he could get from the all so popular deca. Against my advice, he went with 300mg/wk for 10 weeks rather than 400, and I also highly suggested at least a tad bit of test, but no. He used QV deca alone and went with 1 shot every sat. He doesnt have the best diet in the world and many times he cuts workouts short. Now with all this in mind, its hard to believe but he gained 10lbs of solid muscle, barely any water if any, he is still ripped to shreds, and has been doing about 20mins of cardio per day. When he started i guessed that he would gain maybe 2 -5 lbs, if that.

I have only used deca once, and since it was stacked it was hard to tell how much of the gains were directly related to the deca, but after seeing this it will definately be included in my next cycle.

 

[gwl9dta4]

So you have a first time user gain 10lbs on Deca. He also did shorter workouts, which is becoming more and more recommended for recovery. And the big deal is?


I would venture to say that the same weekly dosage of Sust would have netted close to 20 lbs. Deca sucks IMO, have him check his Test levels and see how long it will take to recover. He will also loose about 50% of his weight in the next 4 months, but that is just experience speaking here, nothing scientific.

Incidentally, no one on this board dislikes Deca bacause of the gains, They dislike it due to the side effects and post cycle recovery problems. Hell, it can be used as chemical castration for the male, so go figure.

 

[Iron Monkey]

Deca always means big gains for me. I've never done deca without test, but I have done test without deca ---- and believe me the deca makes for a sweet cycle

 

[gwl9dta4]

Deca always means big gains for me. I've never done deca without test, but I have done test without deca ---- and believe me the deca makes for a sweet cycle

No it's not the Deca, but the test. Why does everyone use test in their cycles, then add some exotic anabolic like Deca or Anavar or Primo and swear that it was that compound that made them explode. Let me tell you that Test is king. Sure Deca will enhance a test only cycle, but rest assured that if you removed the test your gains would be compromised severely. There is nothing magical about Deca. It's a bad choice for the majority.

So in closing let me out it this way. Say you do a cycle of test at 400 mg per week. The gains are good, then you add 400mg of Deca and your gains are WAY better. At this point you can walk away and say, "man, deca made me explode". But in reality if you added another 400mg of test your gains would have been even better. Deca has only abotu 50% of the anabolism of big T.

 

[Iron Monkey]

But in reality if you added another 400mg of test your gains would have been even better. Deca has only abotu 50% of the anabolism of big T.

Speak for yourself. A gram of test a week makes my joints feel like hell; if I throw in deca, everything feels like WD-40. Your right about the strength increase test will give, but all things considered, a little deca goes a long way.

 

[Texas Ranger]

A Test only cycle is MUCH better than Deca only cycle! Take a look at the post further down and you'll see for your self. The guy on a Test only cycle NEVER experienced any libido problems. Can't say the same about Deca......

 

[sk*]

So you have a first time user gain 10lbs on Deca. He also did shorter workouts, which is becoming more and more recommended for recovery. And the big deal is?


I would venture to say that the same weekly dosage of Sust would have netted close to 20 lbs. Deca sucks IMO, have him check his Test levels and see how long it will take to recover. He will also loose about 50% of his weight in the next 4 months, but that is just experience speaking here, nothing scientific.

Incidentally, no one on this board dislikes Deca bacause of the gains, They dislike it due to the side effects and post cycle recovery problems. Hell, it can be used as chemical castration for the male, so go figure.

Not everyone loves test bro, it gives me more problems than gains. Losing 50% of the gains from deca? I don't think so.

Oh yea, this was his 3rd cycle not first ... maybe you missed it.

-sk

 

[gwl9dta4]

Not everyone loves test bro, it gives me more problems than gains. Losing 50% of the gains from deca? I don't think so.

Oh yea, this was his 3rd cycle not first ... maybe you missed it.

-sk

OK, so it's not his first cycle. My mistake. Still 10lbs does not tell a whole lot. What was his weight before? What did he use before and how much did he keep/loose.

Also there is nothing magical about keeping deca gains.Nothing. In fact it may be more difficult to hang on to due to the severely supressed HPTA. And don't be fooled into thinking Deca causes no water retention. It's progesterone base can cause very significant bloat, gyno and a complete loss of sexual function for most users, unless they add test. Some like your buddy are an exception, so power to him.

 

[sk*]

OK, so it's not his first cycle. My mistake. Still 10lbs does not tell a whole lot. What was his weight before? What did he use before and how much did he keep/loose.

Also there is nothing magical about keeping deca gains.Nothing. In fact it may be more difficult to hang on to due to the severely supressed HPTA. And don't be fooled into thinking Deca causes no water retention. It's progesterone base can cause very significant bloat, gyno and a complete loss of sexual function for most users, unless they add test. Some like your buddy are an exception, so power to him.

I don't know his stats before or after as I didn't start the thread but maybe themachine will respond.

My first cycle I run deca at 200mg throughout and went to 400mg for 2-3weeks in between. My gains mostly happened in the first few weeks of the cycle which seemed odd to me, but when I came off the cycle I didn't lose a single pound or any strength. That was the only cycle I didn't lose strength in.

I do believe the cycle I did wasn't the most efficient one and could have been done much better, but from just that experience deca did okay in my book. If I decide to do more cycles in the future (which will be in many many years), I will definetely give deca a shot again.

-sk

 

[Johnny Gringo]

My very first cycle was deca at 200mg/week. I was only doing it for elbow relief, but it turned out that cycle got me hooked on juice for all the other reasons!! I gained a solid 15 lean pounds off of it. Although I ate like crazy, got tons of sleep and trained hard and had also been training hard for quite some time. I believe deca to be the best!! Getting to try eq though. So, I can't wait to see how that works out also!!