Deca gyno???

[wargod666]

hi guys....

I'm on Deca for about 12 Days now, and I'm getting symphtoms of gyno right know...
My nippels do not hurt, but there are small lumps under each of them.
I did frontload with 600mg and did a 200mg injection every 4 days. Is it possible that these symphtoms subside?

Would you advice to try using clomid right now and if the problems do not subside discontinue use of Deca?

Seccond question: Has anyone heard of aggevated male pattern hairloss while using EQ?

Thx

 

[wargod666]

Anymore suggestions???

Big Cat (bodybuilding.com) stated that nullifiying estrogen might bring relief concerning gyno development - maybe porogesterone needs a certain amount of estrogen to develop gyno..

Any opinions on that?

Is it possible - due to the high frontload - that my gyno problems are caused by estrogen???

Thx

 

[muscleup]

bromocriptine...It will supress the prolactin induced gyno caused by deca or Tren...Winny works as well

 

[DrJMW]

Dostinex is the superior drug of choice to overcome DECA's sides.

 

[crsnavet]

Deca gave me gyno @ 400mg weekly even while on winny.

 

[baby_bbol]

bromocriptine works the best, winny will work some to, but at 50mg/day thats a little expensive to just block progestin at the receptor level.

 

[DrJMW]

Bromo's sides and the need to titrate the dosage makes it a risky endeavor. Dostinex is a no-brainer. Recommended dose is two tabs a week; some do well one one tab per week. It has virtually no sides compared to bromo.

 

[baby_bbol]

what is the mg dosage to the bi weekly Dostinex tabs.

Drug Name Strength Qty Price
Carbergoline (Dostinex) 0.5 mg 8 $132.59

This medicine is a dopamine agonist used to treat high levels of prolactin in the body. It may also be used to treat other conditions as determined by your doctor.

what does that cost equate to a week???

 

[bbkingpin]

Anymore suggestions???

Big Cat (bodybuilding.com) stated that nullifiying estrogen might bring relief concerning gyno development - maybe porogesterone needs a certain amount of estrogen to develop gyno..

Any opinions on that?

Is it possible - due to the high frontload - that my gyno problems are caused by estrogen???

Thx

I've heard the same from B Llewellyn and read in a medical abstract that progesterone receptor is an estro-INDUCED protein and, by therefore, by eliminating estro, you will/should alleviate the gyno. I've used lots of Deca -- always with Nolva (Tamoxifen) -- and NO problems thus far, thank God. For all the people who say Deca causes gyno I ask: were you using an anti-estro -- namely, Nolva/Tamox -- with the Deca when the gyno developed?????

 

[tombphilips]

I have been working under the assumption that Bromo (poor mans Caborgoline-Dostinex) will prevent Deca gyno, Deca impotence, and Super-HPTA shutdown. This is based on some information that some have had libido return with Bromo, some (as above) espouse Dopamine Agonists for Deca gyno, and it seems likely that the prolactin levels that when suppressed return libido could cause gyno (so suppressing them could prevent gyno).

I have really noticed no sides to bromo, and currently my paltry doses of Deca have not resulted in libido or gyno problems.

On another board it was very definitively stated that gyno from Tren is prolactin induced and gyno from Deca is progesterone induced. This statement was not challenged nor backed up, and I wonder how one could have any real knowledge either way, but it is at least an opinion different than mine (which I readily admit is unproven).

Do any posters or others have evidence (anecdotal or scientific) that Deca gyno is a prolactin problem and not a progestin problem? Or the converse?

If gyno and libido are prolactin issues doesn’t it make sense that Super-HPTA shutdown (the kind that give Deca a reputations for being difficult to recover from above other steroids) is also a prolactin issue.

Could Bromocriptine or Caborgoline be the complementary drugs that allow for the benefits of Deca while minimizing the side effects?

Can we stop talking about RU-486 for Deca because Bromo and Caborgoline are adequate with much fewer side effects (not to mention better availability).

Tom

 

[baby_bbol]

i think the key here is that everyone body is differnent and reacts differntly to these agents.

The same reason why some people take Dbol 80mg/day with no anti-E and not get gyno and some take 20mg/day with anti-E and get gyno.

A friend of mine just got off a Prop/fina/bromo cycle with no gyno sides or problems. He had gotten gyno symtoms from both Dbol and fina before also. One tab a day of bromo did the trick, probably works for most and is alot cheaper.

 

[pennypacker]

Is bromocriptine legal? do you need a prescription?

 

[baby_bbol]

Is bromocriptine legal? do you need a prescription?

My source never ask me for a prescription???

I don't know, but assume yes in the US, what doesn't need a prescription. There are web sites that sell it without a prescription. Do a search.

 

[pennypacker]

ok, thanks.