deca dying?

[hrlydvdson1]

i notice a lot of people are going away from deca. i don't have a great deal of experience with it. i typically would rather spend the extra cash on more test in higher dosages.. deca, at one time was so popular, why the swing of the pendulum on this? just wondering for curiosity's sake. thanks, as always, elite bros.

 

[52_21_30]

I think for many reasons, among them being the hard, fast HPTA shutdown that you'll see at even low doses, the fact that it's a weak anabolic to begin with and takes many weeks to start achieving results, and also the surging popularity of NPP (and to that end, the trend towards shorter cycles) has probably contributed as well. Also, many newbs wont even try it because of the dreaded "deca dick". It's been my experience that this side effect only occurs when using very high doses, which aren't needed for it's anabolic effects anyway. There's really no reason for anyone to go far above 600 mg weekly of deca. Personally I love deca and still use it a lot, even during cutting cycles (albeit at a very low dose just for joint protection against high doses of winstrol). Also, during the off season I can put on 30-40 lbs with just 1200 test/600 deca and slin/IGF-1.

 

[mikefear]

A lot of people still use it.. tren is very popular now as well and many people just dont feel the need to run two nandrolones in the same cycle.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

tren is very popular now

Has been for a long time.

I remember roaming around the got fina site back in the day when I was just a little runt and newbie to lifting.

 

[52_21_30]

I know they're both nandralones but fina and deca are about as alike as Al Sharpton and David Duke. As far as I'm concerned, deca for me is mainly for joint protection and just an itty bitty bit of muscle.

Fina is the gear of the gods though..

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Has been for a long time.

I remember roaming around the got fina site back in the day when I was just a little runt and newbie to lifting.

He said "gotfina"!! Best site ever LOL.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

He said "gotfina"!! Best site ever LOL.

That cow logo was great, lol

 

[glennds]

i am using NPP for first time this cycle, and was using deca first time till ran out. i love it. definitely plan on using again. will stick with NPP though.

even with steroids i stay lean without bloat so works well for me. like the changes in body composition and size that deca brings. it is distinct from test and tren which i have usually (prudently) in the past.

deca, or NPP, is a classic. it will never go out of style.

 

[mr.nitro]

I like deca, and untell I find a better bulker ill continue to run it.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Not for me it's not. I use at least 250mgs-300mgs with my cycles to lube up all my joints.

I think too many people are getting too caught up with all of these 'exotic' compounds that ug labs are offering these days and forgetting about the basics like test, deca, dbol. All I see are tbol, masteron, tri trens, etc, etc posts these days. If deca is dying, then that's just sad. It just won't be dying for me.

 

[52_21_30]

Not for me it's not. I use at least 250mgs-300mgs with my cycles to lube up all my joints.

Ditto...

BTW, why is everyone using anavar these days?? At like 100 mg a day?? If you wanna overdose something that's expensive go with 1000+ mg of primo. Sorry. Rant over.

 

[mm107]

i think its because of the NPP....deca like effects w/o the sideS?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Ditto...

BTW, why is everyone using anavar these days?? At like 100 mg a day?? If you wanna overdose something that's expensive go with 1000+ mg of primo. Sorry. Rant over.

I feel the same way brother, the same exact way.

 

[mikey007]

Whats NPP?

 

[palehorse51]

For me its the quick shutdown of hpta.....also deca just makes me feel like shit....EQ is my anabolic of choice.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Whats NPP?

fast acting deca, basically.

A great option to test the waters to see if you get sides that you don't like from it.

 

[letsrun4it]

i got the deca sides WAY worse than i get sides from tren...tren does everything better than deca so why touch it?

 

[Nighthawkk]

Some things work better for certain people, so I wouldn't knock deca right away because it has its place. Personally, I get the biggest mass gains when stacking deca with test and have yet to come across something other than dbol that will give me such gains. Other people will probably get gyno, bloat, deca dick, acne, etc. just from a low dose of the stuff, while others may decide to use it at high doses and for long durations and never have any issues. Everyone is different...

 

[pavlenko]

im running deca/test combo right now/ week 2. 500mg each

 

[LiquidPhire]

the classic bread and butter bulker is what I ran for my first cycle, and I loved it. gained like 24+ lbs. http://myspace-269.vo.llnwd.net/01461/96/22/1461342269_l.jpg

 

[ebear]

i got the deca sides WAY worse than i get sides from tren...tren does everything better than deca so why touch it?

Interesting, it's the other way around for me. I got sides (intense night sweats) on tren E but I never get ANY sides on deca, except feeling good. Hard to compare the two, deca is a good long-term mild AAS, while tren is a short-term hammer.

 

[youngguns]

Every thread is like this. Deca is low anabolic, I love deca it's the best bulker, I hate it, gives too many sides, I love it no sides at all. Test is amazing, I dont like test. I can never get a straight answer and have been trying to make a first cycle for months now but I always seem to keep switching it because of no solid info.

 

[wags8]

Well then, I'd say it's time to find out for yourself. You have learned that everybody's different in their likes and dislikes. Maybe start with 500 mg test e per week for ten weeks. By then you'll see the effects and you'll have done more reading on what you want to do for #2. It is serious stuff, but relax and enjoy the growing process.

 

[youngguns]

Well then, I'd say it's time to find out for yourself. You have learned that everybody's different in their likes and dislikes. Maybe start with 500 mg test e per week for ten weeks. By then you'll see the effects and you'll have done more reading on what you want to do for #2. It is serious stuff, but relax and enjoy the growing process.

Good post thank you. I was actually thinking of minimum 750mgs of test e, for 12 weeks, I want to compete on a national level, that is a goal.

 

[wags8]

Well, one theory is to do that much, because you'll never grow like you do on your first cycle. I didn't do that much, but I would if I could do it over. Keep us posted, it's interesting to see how guys react.

 

[52_21_30]

For a FIRST cycle...that's easy, test only. I used to preach the dogma of 500 test/week for a first cycle, but if you're a good way over 200 lbs (as I was) on your virgin cycle, go ahead up to 750 and beyond. It's test. As long as you have a AI it's not going to hurt you.

 

[youngguns]

For a FIRST cycle...that's easy, test only. I used to preach the dogma of 500 test/week for a first cycle, but if you're a good way over 200 lbs (as I was) on your virgin cycle, go ahead up to 750 and beyond. It's test. As long as you have a AI it's not going to hurt you.

I'll be just over 190 5'8'' when I start my first. 20y/o Went from 135-190 in 15 months. But before that I did a few months of powerlifting, I feel like I have a really good sense how to train natty, no so sure about training juiced. I almost never go to failure, and I never have done a drop set, or negs or anything like that.

 

[52_21_30]

I'll be just over 190 5'8'' when I start my first. 20y/o Went from 135-190 in 15 months. But before that I did a few months of powerlifting, I feel like I have a really good sense how to train natty, no so sure about training juiced. I almost never go to failure, and I never have done a drop set, or negs or anything like that.

I only employ those techniques pre-contest. The test will give you some strength, weight, and libido. But it's the base of most of not all of your future cycles so you should assess your tolerance. At the stats you've given, you could go with either 500 or 750, but not more than that.

 

[youngguns]

I only employ those techniques pre-contest. The test will give you some strength, weight, and libido. But it's the base of most of not all of your future cycles so you should assess your tolerance. At the stats you've given, you could go with either 500 or 750, but not more than that.

Why is it you never hear of people doing 650mgs, or 900, its always 500 750 or a gram.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Every thread is like this. Deca is low anabolic, I love deca it's the best bulker, I hate it, gives too many sides, I love it no sides at all. Test is amazing, I dont like test. I can never get a straight answer and have been trying to make a first cycle for months now but I always seem to keep switching it because of no solid info.

Bro because everyones body reacts differently. What works for me might necessarily not work for you, or to the same effect. Ya know?

 

[youngguns]

Bro because everyones body reacts differently. What works for me might necessarily not work for you, or to the same effect. Ya know?

yes but a fact is a fact.

 

[Big Wes]

Deca is awesome if you have patients, it's not a fast builder. It works at about half the rate that test does. Then again your gains seem to stay alittle longer. And you do not need all the anti estrogens, to control gyno, and water bloat unless your sensitive. Still one of my favorite steroids.

 

[UA_Iron]

Deca loses popularity when a message board shifts from hardcore bodybuilding to the spring break look.

 

[glennds]

Deca loses popularity when a message board shifts from hardcore bodybuilding to the spring break look.

interesting point. deca definitely will give you look and size that other gear may not. there may be some fear of getting too big.. i am using for first time in this cycle, great stuff.

someone above pointed out that it takes while to see results. agreed. increased mass kicks in longer than i would have expected.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nandrolone is great for people that dont get progestenic sides, for people that do its not so great and can be downright hellish.

age and repeated use of progestins increases sides and some people are just prone to them.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

deca bloated me like a fish...way more than test ever bloated me...and i only ran 300mg of deca...im over it..it is still a cornerstone steroid in bodybuilding...like dbol or test...but it is not for fighter..unless run real low...and now bloating occurs..which is not my experience...

 

[pound for pound]

Why is it you never hear of people doing 650mgs, or 900, its always 500 750 or a gram.

most labs dose 1 ml with 250 mg of test. it's easier, then, to take 250, 500, 750 and so on. also if people are using amps rather than multi use vials, you want to draw out the whole amp at one time as an amp generally holds 1 ml. probably confused you more...

I haven't heard any lack of deca talk as of late. However, I've only been on the scene for a couple of years. lots of talk on NPP though.

 

[Dr. JK]

i notice a lot of people are going away from deca. i don't have a great deal of experience with it. i typically would rather spend the extra cash on more test in higher dosages.. deca, at one time was so popular, why the swing of the pendulum on this? just wondering for curiosity's sake. thanks, as always, elite bros.

Deca/Winny was my 1st and most frequently used cycle back in the day. I didn't have to worry about any real side effects, no gyno, no hair loss, no acne, etc... The winny counter-acted the deca dick and never had probleams with it.
I believe winny is an anti-progesterone and counters the progesterone sides from deca. That explains why I would retain less water when I did winny with it which with no other gear I could cut the water from it.


I tried Deca with other gear and it was not the same as with winny, i.e. more water bloat and deca dick.

I will never do Deca without winny....

I think EQ has substituted well for Deca, less water bloat, no deca dick and more vascular. If I had to choose between Deca & EQ I would pick EQ anytime.

 

[mauit44]

i notice a lot of people are going away from deca. i don't have a great deal of experience with it. i typically would rather spend the extra cash on more test in higher dosages.. deca, at one time was so popular, why the swing of the pendulum on this? just wondering for curiosity's sake. thanks, as always, elite bros.

At 44 yrs of age, I stay away from it. The biggest issue with Deca is the so called "Deca Dick", which a lot of people get while on the drug. May not be an issue if you're in your twenties, but could be a definite one if you're in your forties. There are plenty other choices out there with less sides. Just ask yourself this question "Is sex important to me?".