Deca, Dbol, Winstrol cycle

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Ok so I'm thinking 12 week cycle, first 10 weeks 400ml deca a week, week 11 & 12 the same but with 1ml winstrol every other day, also from week6, 6 weeks of 30ml Dbol every day. Any views on this??? cheers

I am 83kg, 5'10", eating about 4000 calories daily and about 160 grams protien.

 

[Macronne]

first off, have you done any cycles before?

Also you should put dbols at the start to kick in with it. deca alone is a waste of time, u need to add test to it at 500mg/week

But if this is your first cycle, you better do a test only cycle for 10-12 weeks

Also your are not consuming enough protien. When your on a cycle it should be at least 300grams for your weight, you also saying you are consuming 4000 calories, is it from healthy food or junk

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

This is my second cycle, the first included test but it made me really crazy so I came off after 6 weeks. I'm eating a half chicken, tuna, 3x Dorian Yates Pro Mass shakes and various other high protien/low fat meals a day, from what I usually eat daily it is around 3500 - 4000 calories i think. I would love to do a long test cycle but it plays with my mind and emotions big time

 

[ripper911]

yea the cycle look incomplete, you need to add alittle test and you shouldnt be using to orals at once.

My liver values become higher after 50mg winny ED for 8 weeks so adding dbol to that plus think of this your not coming off the orals......... your using winny then winny and dbol then dbol thats 12 weeks of an oral. Your not giving your liver a break.

I suggest:
week1-10 test 250mg wk
week1-10 deca 400mg wk
week1-4 dbol 25-30mg ED
week8-14 winny 50mg EOD

Running the winny past the heavier stuff will allow you to time pct better

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Sorry its Winstrol Depot injectable, also I have a friend reccomending Veramone???

 

[ripper911]

so what its still an oral they are the same on your liver

While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder. Its efficacy as an anabolic could even be comparable to Dianabol, however Winstrol does not carry with it the same tendency for water retention. Stanozolol also contains the same c17 methylation we see with Dianabol, an alteration used so that oral administration is possible. To spite this design however, there are many injectable versions of this steroid produced.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Ok so injectable or tabs its the same on your liver? Fair enough. If I dont include the test will it still be worthwhile at all? As I said before test makes me crazy and my girlfriend doesn't like me wanting to mount her every 5 mins!!!

 

[Whobestankin']

yea the cycle look incomplete, you need to add alittle test and you shouldnt be using to orals at once.

My liver values become higher after 50mg winny ED for 8 weeks so adding dbol to that plus think of this your not coming off the orals......... your using winny then winny and dbol then dbol thats 12 weeks of an oral. Your not giving your liver a break.

I suggest:
week1-10 test 250mg wk
week1-10 deca 400mg wk
week1-4 dbol 25-30mg ED
week8-14 winny 50mg EOD

Running the winny past the heavier stuff will allow you to time pct better

MY MAN! FINALLY someone has posted some sensible information. I FULLY concur with your suggestion of 250mg of test per wk and 25-30mg of dbol for weeks 1-4. Some may say 500mg of test per week and my reply for that is..." why?". My argument is the old saying "more is better" doesn't apply to AAS but rather "work smarter and not harder" does.

If I had a penny for every cc of AAS that most "threw away" I would be rich.

"Impossible is nothing unless you're up shit creek without a paddle."

 

[ripper911]

test is a good base i'd through it in there. Using the test allows you to hit your receptor in 3 different ways.........Test, androgen, oral

I guess your girl doesnt like SEX ?!?!

 

[ripper911]

MY MAN! FINALLY someone has posted some sensible information. I FULLY concur with your suggestion of 250mg of test per wk and 25-30mg of dbol for weeks 1-4. Some may say 500mg of test per week and my reply for that is..." why?". My argument is the old saying "more is better" doesn't apply to AAS but rather "work smarter and not harder" does.

If I had a penny for every cc of AAS that most "threw away" I would be rich.

"Impossible is nothing unless you're up shit creek without a paddle."

K if you like what i sayyyyyyyy

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Ha!! Yeah she loves it but when ur as big as me she gets sore easily!!!

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Anyway, cheers for the advice, k comin your way.

 

[ripper911]

Ha!! Yeah she loves it but when ur as big as me she gets sore easily!!!

I hear that all too much


well im happy for you and your WANG ........ just take the test and beat your chest and pound her to the death

 

[ripper911]

Anyway, cheers for the advice, k comin your way.

I'll drink to that

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

what, like Me Tarzan you Jane!!

 

[Madcow2]

If I dont include the test will it still be worthwhile at all? QUOTE]

Of course. Many many people have made great gains on 200-400mg of deca per week taken by itself (before the internet boards convinced everyone that you needed at least 1 gram weekly to see anything and 500mg needed to be test). Same goes with 25mg of dbol daily alone - plenty of newer users have blown up very nicely from this. Anyway, although everyone reacts differently and some people aren't affected, deca doesn't replace the body's natural test very well especially from a more androgenic standpoint which means a significant amount of people can't perform sexually. Hence, people like to add at least a baseline amount of test (you could even use 100mg a week of a longer ester). Is test required, not at all plenty of people have gotten great gains without it. Is there a chance you could suffer some sexual side effects, yeah - a significant one but it's not as if an overwhelming percentage of the population has a strong reaction this way so you take a chance and deal.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Cheers, thankfully Deca doesn't effect my dick so no probs there. I'll be honest, i've been on this cycle for 10 weeks now and am looking pretty good, just started on the Winny Depot this week which really hurts!! Am as strong as an Ox though, I have almost doubled the amount of weight I can lift in most areas which I think is amazing and physically am starting to see changes, although am not putting on a lot of weight. Anyway cheers for the re-assurance.

 

[BionicBC]

Ok so I'm thinking 12 week cycle, first 10 weeks 400ml deca a week, week 11 & 12 the same but with 1ml winstrol every other day, also from week6, 6 weeks of 30ml Dbol every day. Any views on this??? cheers

I am 83kg, 5'10", eating about 4000 calories daily and about 160 grams protien.

Make that around about 300-400 grams of protein, bro. And add 500mg/week Test cyp or test e.
Bionic

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Shit man I dont have enough room in my stomach for that much food!!! What the hell do you guys eat? I eat my oats, chicken, tuna, shakes etc every day and I'm full up man, feel sick some days, I just cant eat any more!

 

[BionicBC]

Shit man I dont have enough room in my stomach for that much food!!! What the hell do you guys eat? I eat my oats, chicken, tuna, shakes etc every day and I'm full up man, feel sick some days, I just cant eat any more!

thats why you srink more shakes.
Bionic

 

[Macronne]

Add some protien shakes, between your meals