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New2thegame

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So I just got off my first DECA cycle. Needless to say my body didn't react well. The muscle and mass were fantastic but the side effects too much to bear.

That being said, any strong recommendations for a bulking compound that doesn't have those same terrible shutdown and acne side effects?

I assume equipose or sus?

What else? And what should the dosage/pct be?
 
Did u do deca only?
If not what dose of test and deca did u run and for how long. What side effects did you have on your last cycle?
 
Thanks for the replies. Did deca 400mg and test 750mg a week. 3 months.

Side effects:
good: Great muscle mass, libido out of the fucking roof, looked and felt great
bad: acne all over my upper torso really really bad. Not a shirt in my closet without blood on it, deca dick. Due to either bad test at the end or a total hpa shutdown or both. Blood pressure and anxiety out of the fucking roof. On medicine for that now. Helped with deca dick but that won't go away completely until my endo system starts back up which could take some months. PCT didn't work for me on DECA.
 
Well if your sex drive was high sounds like your test was legit. But also your deca sounds.legit due to deca dick.
If u want to use deca or.tren I would.keep parmi or caber on hand. That will help with deca dick and puffy nips if.deca causes u that.
Acne is a.tough one but if its that bad hop on some low dose accutane for 3 to 6 months.
Nothing worked for my acne besides 20mg a day of tane for 6 months. Now I hardly get any acne on cycle. You can give eq a try but that needs to be run quite long 16+ weeks.
If your pct failed I would run it again but longer..like 8 weeks tapering down
 
New2thegame said:
Thanks for the replies. Did deca 400mg and test 750mg a week. 3 months.

Side effects:
good: Great muscle mass, libido out of the fucking roof, looked and felt great
bad: acne all over my upper torso really really bad. Not a shirt in my closet without blood on it, deca dick. Due to either bad test at the end or a total hpa shutdown or both. Blood pressure and anxiety out of the fucking roof. On medicine for that now. Helped with deca dick but that won't go away completely until my endo system starts back up which could take some months. PCT didn't work for me on DECA.
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try diesalbolan 2.0 stacked with test and eq like mentioned above
 
you could also give beastdrol a run... it would be a much shorter cycle and you would see some huge gains on it...
 
New2thegame said:
Thanks for the replies. Did deca 400mg and test 750mg a week. 3 months.

Side effects:
good: Great muscle mass, libido out of the fucking roof, looked and felt great
bad: acne all over my upper torso really really bad. Not a shirt in my closet without blood on it, deca dick. Due to either bad test at the end or a total hpa shutdown or both. Blood pressure and anxiety out of the fucking roof. On medicine for that now. Helped with deca dick but that won't go away completely until my endo system starts back up which could take some months. PCT didn't work for me on DECA.
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what are your full stats? you never posted those.. this isn't what you want to hear but its the truth, coming from a vet of deca and of blood results and making myself my own guinea pig.

all of those 'sides' you mentioned would have been avoided had you run an AI, support supps and anti-prolactin on cycle.

and those weren't sides from deca, not a single one. it was from excess estrogen, prolactin.. those 2 are what caused all your sides. once again another guy falls victim to the stack test with deca bs. stacking test with deca will only make your estrogen sides WORSE. yes testosterone aromatizes.. when you run test and deca together with no AI you will get tremendous estrogen spike, and i see newbs stacking dbol on top of that which makes it even worse.

and of course you felt like shit on this cycle with high bp and anxiety, what do you expect when you put on 20 pounds of water weight? your heart probably couldn't handle it, and i would hate to see your kidney values as well.

and I will bet my left nut you ran nolva at some point here as well. another internet parroting myth i see all the time.

as far as answering your question as an alternative to deca. you keep running cycles without the proper ancillaries and you will get side effects and feel like shit after. so do your homework first and run cycles properly. post a cycle on here first and let the guys who know their shit fix it for you and give you the go ahead. we have countless guys on this board who are whizzes with helping set up cycles
 
stevesmi said:
what are your full stats? you never posted those.. this isn't what you want to hear but its the truth, coming from a vet of deca and of blood results and making myself my own guinea pig.

all of those 'sides' you mentioned would have been avoided had you run an AI, support supps and anti-prolactin on cycle.

and those weren't sides from deca, not a single one. it was from excess estrogen, prolactin.. those 2 are what caused all your sides. once again another guy falls victim to the stack test with deca bs. stacking test with deca will only make your estrogen sides WORSE. yes testosterone aromatizes.. when you run test and deca together with no AI you will get tremendous estrogen spike, and i see newbs stacking dbol on top of that which makes it even worse.

and of course you felt like shit on this cycle with high bp and anxiety, what do you expect when you put on 20 pounds of water weight? your heart probably couldn't handle it, and i would hate to see your kidney values as well.

and I will bet my left nut you ran nolva at some point here as well. another internet parroting myth i see all the time.

as far as answering your question as an alternative to deca. you keep running cycles without the proper ancillaries and you will get side effects and feel like shit after. so do your homework first and run cycles properly. post a cycle on here first and let the guys who know their shit fix it for you and give you the go ahead. we have countless guys on this board who are whizzes with helping set up cycles
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nothing else needs to be said... =)
 
stevesmi said:
what are your full stats? you never posted those.. this isn't what you want to hear but its the truth, coming from a vet of deca and of blood results and making myself my own guinea pig.

all of those 'sides' you mentioned would have been avoided had you run an AI, support supps and anti-prolactin on cycle.

and those weren't sides from deca, not a single one. it was from excess estrogen, prolactin.. those 2 are what caused all your sides. once again another guy falls victim to the stack test with deca bs. stacking test with deca will only make your estrogen sides WORSE. yes testosterone aromatizes.. when you run test and deca together with no AI you will get tremendous estrogen spike, and i see newbs stacking dbol on top of that which makes it even worse.

and of course you felt like shit on this cycle with high bp and anxiety, what do you expect when you put on 20 pounds of water weight? your heart probably couldn't handle it, and i would hate to see your kidney values as well.

and I will bet my left nut you ran nolva at some point here as well. another internet parroting myth i see all the time.

as far as answering your question as an alternative to deca. you keep running cycles without the proper ancillaries and you will get side effects and feel like shit after. so do your homework first and run cycles properly. post a cycle on here first and let the guys who know their shit fix it for you and give you the go ahead. we have countless guys on this board who are whizzes with helping set up cycles
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Well, looks like you lost your left nut because you are wrong here.
According to my blood work my estrogen and prolactin levels are within normal range.
And don't tell me erectile dysfunction ins't a side effect of deca use because it's plastered all over the internet and Im living it now due to shutdown.
And no partner, I ran no nolva. It was clomid.

Now that we have knocked that ball out of the park, what stats would you like me to post?
Just because you have had a great experience with deca doesn't mean that everyone is going to have that same experience.


And as I mentioned before hand, I believe my last batch or so of test was bogus. No telling how many vials I had that were bad I am guessing.

From my research, the only thing I really failed to do was run HCG religiously throughout the cycle instead of say every other week.
 
New2thegame said:
So I just got off my first DECA cycle. Needless to say my body didn't react well. The muscle and mass were fantastic but the side effects too much to bear.

That being said, any strong recommendations for a bulking compound that doesn't have those same terrible shutdown and acne side effects?

I assume equipose or sus?

What else? And what should the dosage/pct be?
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Did you just run the DECA alone??
 
New2thegame said:
Well, looks like you lost your left nut because you are wrong here.
According to my blood work my estrogen and prolactin levels are within normal range.
And don't tell me erectile dysfunction ins't a side effect of deca use because it's plastered all over the internet and Im living it now due to shutdown.
And no partner, I ran no nolva. It was clomid.

Now that we have knocked that ball out of the park, what stats would you like me to post?
Just because you have had a great experience with deca doesn't mean that everyone is going to have that same experience.


And as I mentioned before hand, I believe my last batch or so of test was bogus. No telling how many vials I had that were bad I am guessing.

From my research, the only thing I really failed to do was run HCG religiously throughout the cycle instead of say every other week.
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Seriously?
 
Seriously.

Now, back on track with my question. Sus, Eq? Mast E?
I plan to stack with test e.

DBOL or Winstrol orals in the beginning or end?
 
ALIN said:
Did you just run the DECA alone??
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Look, I really don't want this to turn into a deca dick thread. The question was regarding alternatives to deca for bulking.

Using deca right or wrong hasn't turned out well for me, even after doing research in advanced and especially now at the end. I did several test e only cycles with no issues and great success but for me, mixing test e @ 750 and deca @400 along with semi-regular hcg shut my shit completely down.
My last test e batch being bad, I was probably on just DECA for a month who knows since the test was bunk.
I really enjoyed myself until the last 2-3 weeks which I think as a result of the bunk test, my noodle went limp and I began to have hormone crash and all associated with it.
From what I have read, it should have been expected. All symptoms of hormone crash.
I begain to have some headaches on clomid and while taking accutane at the same time at the end, I had a bad reaction to it as well.

So, I had no stable pct to fall back on. Clomid was my answer. After things didn't improve for me sexually about 2 weeks later, and reading on the forums about guys who have been impotent a year or more and still haven't sought the advice of a doctor, I decided I wasn't going to put my health to any further chance and I sought the advice of my primary care doctor who is a teaching physician at a major research hospital.
First thing he wanted me to do was take a blood panel and he consulted his endocrinology partner. They got together and I gave him my entire deca/test regiment.

Basically the blood panel came back that my sex hormones were suppressed and I still had high test but that was only 2 weeks after my last shot.

It's been a little over a month since the cycle ended. I am taking hcgenerate and pct unleashed combo and feel much better, just my noodle hasn't returned.
My doc tells me he treats steroid users before and did some research on the ones I used.
I will come back, but it's going to take some time for my body to return to normal.
In the meantime, the blood pressure medicine helped me a bunch I feel much better and I have a script for Viagra.

So, yes, I am done with DECA. My body didn't like it and I feel the much safer alternative for me short of not doing anything is to use some much milder steroids or atleast one's that my body won't react so violently too.

You wouldn't believe the acne this stuff put all over my upper torso. It is still disgusting and what a blow to have a bad reaction to accutane that I cannot continue to use it (felt pressure in my brain and was dizzy).


In the meantime, I am going to recover and carefully plan my next cycle, which won't happen until my blood panel shows me returning to normal
 
New2thegame said:
Well, looks like you lost your left nut because you are wrong here.
According to my blood work my estrogen and prolactin levels are within normal range.
And don't tell me erectile dysfunction ins't a side effect of deca use because it's plastered all over the internet and Im living it now due to shutdown.
And no partner, I ran no nolva. It was clomid.

Now that we have knocked that ball out of the park, what stats would you like me to post?
Just because you have had a great experience with deca doesn't mean that everyone is going to have that same experience.


And as I mentioned before hand, I believe my last batch or so of test was bogus. No telling how many vials I had that were bad I am guessing.

From my research, the only thing I really failed to do was run HCG religiously throughout the cycle instead of say every other week.
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actually looking through your posts cause i was fishing for your stats you never posted, you posted in another thread you did use nolva and did not use caber while on.. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...t-erectile-dysfunction-low-libido-909043.html you ran clomid with nolva. this is why your dick stopped working. if you trace back to when your libido dropped off i bet it will be the day you started taking these 2 shitty drugs. and yes i believe you that your blood tests came back with normal estrogen as both are anti-estrogens!!! why would you stack 2 AI's together? in-experience my friend.

not your fault as you didn't know that you were supposed to run anti-prolactin during. so pretty much your prolactin and estrogen went sky high during cycle. when you came off you ran 2 AI's and crippled your estrogen and then you got the bad sides from the drugs you took. its nice that you now are using caber but if you ran it during you would of avoided a lot of problems.

and yes its plastered all over the internet that deca dick happens, but that is from elevated prolactin.. you said yourself you were fucking your gf 3X per day and now your sex drive is dead. well research what prolactin is and you will see EXACTLY why your sex drive went from crazy to dead.. when your prolactin is high and you have sex it goes even higher, and you won't want to have sex after. so obviously you will get 'deca dick' just like all the other guys online who failed to run the proper ancillaries

what is your prolactin at now you said you did blood work? the closer to 0 the better.

also yes if you run a long cycle like this with long esters you should always run something like hcg or hcgenerate to keep the nuts plump. makes for a quicker recovery and i have blood work to prove it
 
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New2thegame said:
Look, I really don't want this to turn into a deca dick thread. The question was regarding alternatives to deca for bulking.

Using deca right or wrong hasn't turned out well for me, even after doing research in advanced and especially now at the end. I did several test e only cycles with no issues and great success but for me, mixing test e @ 750 and deca @400 along with semi-regular hcg shut my shit completely down.
My last test e batch being bad, I was probably on just DECA for a month who knows since the test was bunk.
I really enjoyed myself until the last 2-3 weeks which I think as a result of the bunk test, my noodle went limp and I began to have hormone crash and all associated with it.
From what I have read, it should have been expected. All symptoms of hormone crash.
I begain to have some headaches on clomid and while taking accutane at the same time at the end, I had a bad reaction to it as well.

So, I had no stable pct to fall back on. Clomid was my answer. After things didn't improve for me sexually about 2 weeks later, and reading on the forums about guys who have been impotent a year or more and still haven't sought the advice of a doctor, I decided I wasn't going to put my health to any further chance and I sought the advice of my primary care doctor who is a teaching physician at a major research hospital.
First thing he wanted me to do was take a blood panel and he consulted his endocrinology partner. They got together and I gave him my entire deca/test regiment.

Basically the blood panel came back that my sex hormones were suppressed and I still had high test but that was only 2 weeks after my last shot.

It's been a little over a month since the cycle ended. I am taking hcgenerate and pct unleashed combo and feel much better, just my noodle hasn't returned.
My doc tells me he treats steroid users before and did some research on the ones I used.
I will come back, but it's going to take some time for my body to return to normal.
In the meantime, the blood pressure medicine helped me a bunch I feel much better and I have a script for Viagra.

So, yes, I am done with DECA. My body didn't like it and I feel the much safer alternative for me short of not doing anything is to use some much milder steroids or atleast one's that my body won't react so violently too.

You wouldn't believe the acne this stuff put all over my upper torso. It is still disgusting and what a blow to have a bad reaction to accutane that I cannot continue to use it (felt pressure in my brain and was dizzy).


In the meantime, I am going to recover and carefully plan my next cycle, which won't happen until my blood panel shows me returning to normal
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well i give you credit for changing your PCT up and improving it. I would keep researching while you are in recovery and do things the right way.

the main problem you have is you need to remember to cover all bases when you cycle.

and #2 don't go into cycle with problems to begin with.. if you have bp issues or acne problems then AAS probably aren't for you.

and please post your FULL stats. age/height/weight/body fat.. its the rules!! even post a pic if you want an honest assessment.. the more info you provide the more help you will get
 
lol, you better believe I won't be getting back on a cycle until I recover. I just see the recovery being several more months and my dick seems to have plenty of time to burn lol.

Im not throwing a hissy fit, but demeanor is everything as you know Mr. Moderator. I am happy for any useful posts here.
The prolactin came back normal range in my blood panel.

I jumped on nolva when the clmod went back but was only on the nolva for a week. Things had gone south several weeks before that.
I didn't use caber because that is one point of my weakness. However, my prolactin wasn't out of range according to my panel.
So, that part isn't really relevant to me according to my blood work. And my estrogen isn't showing as low either, it's showing in normal range. And I got no gyno from this
cycle. Atleast not yet.

So for stats, to satisfy forum rules, now I am official
Age: 35
Weight: 165
Height 5'7
Body Fat: 10%
'
Last DECA injection: April 5th
Last Test Injection: April 19th.
Limp Noodle problem first noticed: April 1st
 
when did u get your blood work? what exactly was your prolactin at? give me the number .. or better yet post the full results so i can see what is going on exactly.

you dont want your estrogen levels to be too low or too high. but your prolactin can be dropped low

I will bet that april 1 your prolactin started getting high. and since you weren't on anti-prolactin it slowly kept rising. just imagine a swimming pool filled to capacity, then april 1 it started to overflow.. the hose in the pool represents the deca, and the water coming out represents the prolactin from the hose. so your problem came on late, but that doesn't mean your problem wasn't building from around week 5 on. make sense?

also nolva has a long half life so a week on is enough to really hurt you for 2 full weeks... you also ran a strong dose of clomid 100mg a day.. in the future run 12mg EOD capped. you don't need to run those crazy doses guys post online.. those guys who post those dosages don't even cycle, they are usually guys who stay on year round.

remember deca and test you took will take about 6 weeks to get to low levels in your body. 2 week HALF life means after 2 weeks half of your injection will be leftover. then in 2 weeks half again. and you ran strong dosages so you had it in your system 1.5 months after your last injection. meaning the deca was still putting out prolactin and your test was still pumping out estrogen... to compound matters you went into PCT with raisin nuts since you didn't use hcg so now you see why you had such a horrible post cycle.
 
New2thegame said:
Well, looks like you lost your left nut because you are wrong here.
According to my blood work my estrogen and prolactin levels are within normal range.
And don't tell me erectile dysfunction ins't a side effect of deca use because it's plastered all over the internet and Im living it now due to shutdown.
And no partner, I ran no nolva. It was clomid.

Now that we have knocked that ball out of the park, what stats would you like me to post?
Just because you have had a great experience with deca doesn't mean that everyone is going to have that same experience.


And as I mentioned before hand, I believe my last batch or so of test was bogus. No telling how many vials I had that were bad I am guessing.

From my research, the only thing I really failed to do was run HCG religiously throughout the cycle instead of say every other week.
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Sigh
 
Not trying to be a jerk at all but to me the answer is pretty obvious. I dont necessarily think it was deca but the high dose of compounds together. I mean u were running over a gram a week of gear at your size...that is the main issue. That much test and even a decent dose of deca is gonna cause big issues regardless. I mean I have never taken over 250mg of test and I am 40 lbs heavier at single digit bf and I am only an inch taller. Just food for thought. Again...I dont want to be offensive...just objective.

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Not offensive at all. I didn't get to scan my panel in today at work and just got home a little late, so it will be tomorrow.

Though it was quit a bit of test this wasn't the first time I have done 750 a week. My previous cycles were around that much, of course, I was also on TRT before hand just to build it up in my system.
But again no problems until this particular cycle.
 
As promised, here is a scan of my two page blood panel.

The only thing I didn't scan was the letter from my doctor simply stating my sex hormones were supressed.
 
ok, im not against running a second pct of clomid since I never finished my first pct correctly.

I don't get paid till next weekend but tell ya what my plan will be.

Doc wants me off everything and my body to return naturally (hopefully) but regardless,

Ill purchase enough clomid to run the 8 week pct and run along side what I am taking now which is hcgenerate and pct unleashed.

I don't go back for more blood work till Mid July but am already eager to see if I have improved any. I feel much better than I did when the panel was taken but will hold my breath until then
 
On a further note: I atleast get morning wood now. Just don't have a strong link between thought and penis control at the moment
 
well your LH and FSH are at 0. meaning your HPTA is dead.

i wouldn't listen to these doctors at all.. by the time your body recovers your gains will be gone. the point of PCT isn't just to get your HPTA going but its also to keep the gains you have. so why would you just sit back and do nothing? also if memory serves me right this isn't your first cycle, so its possible that you have been shut down from your previous cycles and never properly recovered either. this is pretty dangerous cause you might never be able to recover unless you start doing things the right way.

if i was you i would get on HCG + HMG right now. run that for 2 weeks, then get on a low dose clomid 12mg EOD along with a bottle of a natty test booster like unleashed. in the future you should never go into PCT shut down like that. always run hcg or hcgenerate during cycle .. the only number i care about right now with you is your LH. that needs to bounce back ASAP. once it does your other numbers will fall back in line.

oh and your getting wood back because your prolactin was crippled from the prami your taking, i would actually ease off on it because you don't need it at 0. you are overdosing on the stuff. as long as you keep it under 4 or 5 you will be fine.

also in the future you need to keep the proper ancillaries on hand at all times in case you need them. i always keep extra hcg, hmg, clomid, supplements, adex, forma, caber, and other stuff in my closet just in case. you never know when you will need any of them.
 
stevesmi said:
well your LH and FSH are at 0. meaning your HPTA is dead.

i wouldn't listen to these doctors at all.. by the time your body recovers your gains will be gone. the point of PCT isn't just to get your HPTA going but its also to keep the gains you have. so why would you just sit back and do nothing? also if memory serves me right this isn't your first cycle, so its possible that you have been shut down from your previous cycles and never properly recovered either. this is pretty dangerous cause you might never be able to recover unless you start doing things the right way.

if i was you i would get on HCG + HMG right now. run that for 2 weeks, then get on a low dose clomid 12mg EOD along with a bottle of a natty test booster like unleashed. in the future you should never go into PCT shut down like that. always run hcg or hcgenerate during cycle .. the only number i care about right now with you is your LH. that needs to bounce back ASAP. once it does your other numbers will fall back in line.

oh and your getting wood back because your prolactin was crippled from the prami your taking, i would actually ease off on it because you don't need it at 0. you are overdosing on the stuff. as long as you keep it under 4 or 5 you will be fine.

also in the future you need to keep the proper ancillaries on hand at all times in case you need them. i always keep extra hcg, hmg, clomid, supplements, adex, forma, caber, and other stuff in my closet just in case. you never know when you will need any of them.
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Steve has it spot on here. Recovery asap should be your biggest goal right now, and this is the best way to do that bro. You are severely shutdown right now
 
So the previous clomid regement is not what everyone would do?

I am still a little up in the air as I also hear HCG will further supress my system?


As of right now what I am hearing is:
HCG
Clomid
HCGenerate
PCT Unleashed


The HCGenerate and unleashed all come with recommended dosasges.

How long and how much HCG should I run and the same question goes for the clomid


Its very possible I never fully recovered however, becuase I dove back on TRT therapy after my cycles, I may never have known. However, as mentioned, I never experienced any negative symptoms until this last deca cycle. This is unlike anything I ever went through before on any cycle. :(
 
you run the HCG first, then you run the PCT.

do exactly what i wrote above. and i would stretch the PCT out. make it a long and conservative PCT therapy . your numbers are of someone who has been juiced for a while, you are totally shutdown as if you have been on TRT for months and months

and if you really want to throw flames on the fire stack HCG + HCGENERATE + HMG together for 2-3 weeks. then you run low dose clomid + unleashed... then run bloods and you should see your LH rebounding. once the process begins with your LH rebounding THEN you can follow your idiot doctors advice and sit back and wait .. but right now you need to run a PCT and stop wasting time
 
I am still not clear on how much HCG dosage I should run? Funny thing is I actually started running HCG when all this started after the cycle but was told it would further supress me so I stopped
 
New2thegame said:
I am still not clear on how much HCG dosage I should run? Funny thing is I actually started running HCG when all this started after the cycle but was told it would further supress me so I stopped
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you don't run the hcg in pct.. you run it as a KICKSTART to pct.

so run it 1000iu's split up into 5 doses every 3 days. and run some HMG with it if you can. that will help
 
I feel bad for you because you have gotten some poor advice in the past. that sucks. You can definitely recover. It happens to a lot of people. There are a bunch of reasons that could be the cause of all your issues but they really dont matter now. Run a low dose of clomid if you want but dont go crazy w/ the 100 or 50mg daily doses you see online. That is not worth it.

Are you going to go back on TRT or do you want to recover and run normal cycles going forward?

Good Luck
 
Judo Tom said:
I feel bad for you because you have gotten some poor advice in the past. that sucks. You can definitely recover. It happens to a lot of people. There are a bunch of reasons that could be the cause of all your issues but they really dont matter now. Run a low dose of clomid if you want but dont go crazy w/ the 100 or 50mg daily doses you see online. That is not worth it.

Are you going to go back on TRT or do you want to recover and run normal cycles going forward?

Good Luck
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i bet there are thousands of guys out there in his shoes, the good news is he ran bloods and can now fix his mistakes instead of continueing to screw himself up further.

i'm not surprised the docs told him to just do nothing, they don't understand how much sweat and pain we went through to put on mass, and to just piss it away would be a shame. with a 0 LH and 0 FSH it won't take long for his muscle to evaporate

I'm gonna put up my own bloods in early June to show everyone how properly cycling should be done. hopefully it will help people avoid the mistakes the OP went through.
 
Judo Tom said:
Are you going to go back on TRT or do you want to recover and run normal cycles going forward?

Good Luck
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Good question. I enjoyed the benefits I received just from TRT and having that extra test in my system.

The only reason I wouldn't jump back on TRT in between cycles would be fertility issues.

I am ready to have children now and don't want to screw that up any worse.

I have been thinking once I get back to running again to storing some of my sperm then maybe getting back on TRT for inbetween cycles but really I haven't gotten that far yet.

I may see how this recovery goes then after I am all good do another cycle without TRT and see how my body reacts during recovery.
 
stevesmi said:
i bet there are thousands of guys out there in his shoes, the good news is he ran bloods and can now fix his mistakes instead of continueing to screw himself up further.

i'm not surprised the docs told him to just do nothing, they don't understand how much sweat and pain we went through to put on mass, and to just piss it away would be a shame. with a 0 LH and 0 FSH it won't take long for his muscle to evaporate

I'm gonna put up my own bloods in early June to show everyone how properly cycling should be done. hopefully it will help people avoid the mistakes the OP went through.
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And I can tell I have already lost some of those gains even as I type.
It's such a shame because as I mentioned I absolutely loved how I felt on DECA , how I looked and what I did to my sex drive while on it.
 
Just as an update: Placed an order for both HCG and HMG, and clomid last night. Will be a little bit before it arrives. but will start and place blood panel results once I get them back from doctor. I am not slated to go back to him till mid july. Blood results will take a week or less after that
 
On a positive note: Both the HCG and HMG arrived yesterday along with some liquid clomid.
I haven't begun using it yet because I have company. a very lovely lady staying for the weekend.

I am taking a little viagara to help me out but have been successfully shagging her rotten all weekend and though it does take a little longer to get my going, she is happy with the results.

So,I think my body is slowly but surely coming back but only my blood work will tell the tale.

Tomorrow I will begin my regiment and as stated previously, will go back for blood work in mid july.

So, as stated, I should take 1000iu's of HCG split into 5 doses every 3 days.

What does that mean for the dummies here? Is that 200iu's per shot once every 3 days and continue this for 2weeks?
 
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