Deca and the hate, why?

[Hard Gainer Blast]

With Deca being so contorversial why is it that many people suggest this for the first time user. OR for a first time cycle? I personally think the pro's out weigh the con's. But wouldn't a first time user want to use something that is less controversial in the good and the bad. Good thread

 

[Spectre]

Lawnsaver: Do you feel that this atrophy is something that could have happened on any AS? Could it have been due to some prev damage (that baseball to the nuts when you were 14?)

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

I love the results I've had with Deca. I get nice and thick while on Deca. However, two things specifically, make it a drug I've steered clear of since early 2001:

1.) The only times I've had problems reovering post-cycle is from a cycle that included Deca. The Nandrolone metabolite Nortestosterone sticks around for a very long time to do its nasty business... causing a BIG problem for recovering HTPA.

2.) Drug testing is always a possibility(a probability actually) for me. My employer can demand one randomly at any time. 18 months is a long fucking time to have a skeleton in the closet.

There are MANY other great AAS that do not possess the aforementioned issues... Test, EQ, Winstrol, Tren, etc.

 

[muscleup]

well It supressed me for months after I came off of it...The gains made on Deca are just not worth the gamble...Hpta supression is a very important thing...and even more important is how long it's going to take you to rebound and get back to normal....with deca in the picture it simply takes to long as some never recover 100%...That being said I HATE DECA

 

[Frackal]

Lawnsaver I have never heard about that bro, that is just crazy...and scary....


2thick has spoken about the importance of tapering off the deca...but in your situation that is irrelevant at only 200mg...are you sure the deca is what has caused it?

... I didnt have any problems last time I used deca which was on my first cycle....on this one, my third, I will be using it for 7 weeks then tapering for 2 weeks...I will be running the eq out for 10 weeks total and the test at a low dosage throughout but for about 13 weeks....HCG, clomid, liquidex, etc etc

 

[Gretak9]

My first real cycle was deca at 300mg/wk for 8 wks. If I had know about this board I probably wouldn't have done it that way because of all the horror stories. That being said, I had extremely low negative side effects. A little bloat and tiny bit of acne when coming off. I even started the clomid the same week I ended. I gained about 25lbs and kept about all of it. I guess that Deca is one of the drugs that effects many people in different ways. Kind of like alcohol. Some people are cool while others loose thier shit on it.

 

[Zoomster]

I love deca!!!

 

[lawnsaver]

Frackle and Spectre: I did my research on that freeking drug well in advance so that I would not get any sides. I went for 200mg of deca with 200mg of EQ and 400mg of Cyp. Now...I have dose Test/EQ 2 or 3 time before and recovered easily. This was my first cycle with deca and my right nut shrunk up like a pea. I used HCG and clomid in the manor you see me always recomending it. The testicle didnt respond. I took 5 months off and still it was atrophied. I then ran another small dose of HCG and 3 more weeks of clomid. Nothing. I took another 8 months off and went to a urologist and he said that he didnt know any treatments to try and get it back. Well I got my blood work done and my test levels were 198( 300-800 norm.) my free test was 7( 15-50 norm), but my sperm count was 35Million with a 65% mobility, which is fine for having kids.

I just finished a Test/EQ/D-bol/Winny cycle and I still have atrophy, but my sex drive is a lot better than when I started the cycle. I have been taking 1.5grams of BAC Avena Sativa for 3 weeks. I will get my blood work done next week and see if my levels have changed.

I did everything right!! I used a very small dose, I came off correctly, and did HPTA therapy again.

I am one of the unlucky ones, in which Deca is not a match for me.

I will always use EQ from now on. I will always advise EQ over Deca, not because EQ is superior, but because you can get similar results and not have to worry about the possible HPTA and Testicular problems!

 

[Spectre]

Lawnsaver; thanks for followup and information.

I have my kids and low natty test, so I'm not worried about my nuts.

 

[rodd45]

for my next go around all I am doing is deca and eq. Fuck I cant wait.