Deads.........full or partial?

[c-sharp minor]

I always do deadlifts on my back day. For the past few years I've been doing full deadlifts, from the floor to lockout at top.

I've been doing my deads in a power rack for the last 2 months and have found I can work my lower back more effectively and I have much more NRG left to finish my back workout as I'm not as drained.

I like full deadlifts, but am so burnt out after doing them, the rest of my back workout suffers.

Anyone have any advice on which is more effective? To do full deads and have little NRG for other back exercises OR do partials and give'r for the rest of the workout?

Merci beaucoup

 

[solidj55]

Would you do partial bench press, partial overhead press, partial squats, partial curls, partial pullups, partial anything??? If not then I wouldnt do partial deads either. There is an exception to this, that is if your doing Westside or something like that.

 

[Citruscide]

Here is what i do on back day...

I do my barbell rows first... those are fucking GREWLING for me... I hit my deadlifts second (quite near grewling as well)... then I hit the face pulls (this tuesday), lat pull downs, cable rows etc.

It's easier to hit deads as your LAST free weight exercise

C-ditty

 

[louden_swain]

Partial deads are part of my program and here is why:

They target the back and add slabs of beef like no other exercise. This is because this movement is specifically directed towards the back and not legs. Plus, you are able to handle extremely heavy weights.

On a typical workout, I will use 600 to 610lbs for 4 to 5 reps. I set the safety bars at knee level.

There is certainly nothing wrong with deads off the floor, but I think it is good to include both in a training program. Partial deads are superior for developing upper back strength, plus they help correct the weak points in the upper part of the deadlift.

 

[louden_swain]

Would you do partial bench press, partial overhead press, partial squats, partial curls, partial pullups, partial anything???

To work on weak points. It is called the over-loading principle and can be highly useful for passing a sticking point.

 

[Citruscide]

Partial deads are part of my program and here is why:

They target the back and add slabs of beef like no other exercise. This is because this movement is specifically directed towards the back and not legs. Plus, you are able to handle extremely heavy weights.

On a typical workout, I will use 600 to 610lbs for 4 to 5 reps. I set the safety bars at knee level.

There is certainly nothing wrong with deads off the floor, but I think it is good to include both in a training program. Partial deads are superior for developing upper back strength, plus they help correct the weak points in the upper part of the deadlift.

Do partial deads hit your lower back too??? I'd like to hit my BACK more... and less my legs on deads... you think this would be a good option?

C-ditty

 

[louden_swain]

Do partial deads hit your lower back too??? I'd like to hit my BACK more... and less my legs on deads... you think this would be a good option?

C-ditty

Oh yes!! Give them a try. You will be able to use really heavy weight. This heavy movement will be sure to release extra testosterone and growth hormone. If you hit this just right, you will be sore from the base of the lumbar to the back of the skull where the traps tie in.

 

[solidj55]

To work on weak points. It is called the over-loading principle and can be highly useful for passing a sticking point.

You didnt finish reading what I wrote. I said unless you are a doing a program that requires this such as Westside. I realize that partials have their advantages thats why I said that.

 

[louden_swain]

You didnt finish reading what I wrote. I said unless you are a doing a program that requires this such as Westside. I realize that partials have their advantages thats why I said that.

Sure I read your statement. This exercise can be used for all training programs.

 

[solidj55]

Fair enough. My only gripe with doing partial deads only would be only training that one range of motion. This could lead to injury later on while doing other exercises. I think parials are good like you said to bring up a weak point but I am a firm believer that the full ROM should be executed more often.

 

[louden_swain]

Fair enough. My only gripe with doing partial deads only would be only training that one range of motion. This could lead to injury later on while doing other exercises. I think parials are good like you said to bring up a weak point but I am a firm believer that the full ROM should be executed more often.

True. . .true. I only use partial movements if I am overloading a muscle or training the CNS.

 

[skaman607]

partial deads would be good for someone who's back is their weak point in their deadlift

 

[solidj55]

I agree, the CNS adaptation of doing partial lifts can be of great benifit in the long run. When I trained Westside I never seemed to get the carry over into my full range of motion bench press during my mini cycles. What I mean is I would alternate my ME work every week. For example one of my mini cycles looked like this on ME day.

Week
1-Closegrip Bench
2-Floor Press
3-Closegrip Incline
4-2 Board Press
5-Ultra Wides
6-3 Board Press

I was also doing some sort of lockout movement at each Bench Press workout. On week seven I went for a raw max and it was lower than before, even though I felt strong as shit doing all the partials and closegrip work. Well when I switched over to a more traditional old school powerlifting program all those sticking points I had before seemed to have left. I believe that it was due to my CNS adaptation from doing the partials while using Westside.

 

[jeremys]

AWESOME!!!

i feel safe with partials but i don't want to re-injure my lower back. i'll just go a couple weeks with high pins, then move the pins down every couple weeks!!!

 

[gettinlarger]

I love rack deadlifts. Not the last time, but the time before that, I've never felt anything like it the next day ...

 

[DrBones]

Depends what your doing.... if your a body builder rack deads are going to build your back a lot more than conventional deads as it takes your legs out of the picture and you can pull a lot more weight....
I feel my legs get hammered enough on leg day and I am into bodybuilding so this is why i rack dead, although I do conventional deadlift occasionally

 

[c-sharp minor]

Here is what i do on back day...

I do my barbell rows first... those are fucking GREWLING for me... I hit my deadlifts second (quite near grewling as well)... then I hit the face pulls (this tuesday), lat pull downs, cable rows etc.

It's easier to hit deads as your LAST free weight exercise

C-ditty

I used to do my deads last, but I could use much more weight by doing them first so I figured I'd get more of a test-gh boost.

I figure the best bet would be to alternate between the rack pulls and full deadlifts.

Being a bit older and not having the recovery levels I used to have, I have to watch how much energy I expend, and make sure I can recover for my next workout. I find the partials leave me feeling less fatigued.

 

[bigliftsCNU]

To work on weak points. It is called the over-loading principle and can be highly useful for passing a sticking point.

this is true... but i think the original problem was a lack of intensity by c-sharp minor, not to work on weak points... I totally agree with you 100% that they are benefical in that sense... but i really believe c-sharp.. that you just have to fight through the pain and boost your intensity... after deadlifts.. i wont feel like doing anymore back exercises.... or after SLDL's i wont feel like doing anymore leg exercises... but you know what.. I GOTTA... i slap my head, think of brutality to my family.. whatever i need to get me going through my workout.. i think that is your problem... raise the intensity bar for yourself

 

[c-sharp minor]

this is true... but i think the original problem was a lack of intensity by c-sharp minor, not to work on weak points... I totally agree with you 100% that they are benefical in that sense... but i really believe c-sharp.. that you just have to fight through the pain and boost your intensity... after deadlifts.. i wont feel like doing anymore back exercises.... or after SLDL's i wont feel like doing anymore leg exercises... but you know what.. I GOTTA... i slap my head, think of brutality to my family.. whatever i need to get me going through my workout.. i think that is your problem... raise the intensity bar for yourself

I'm 34 and 100% natty. I have a VERY physically demanding job. I work out hard enough to leave myself on the borderline of overtraining constantly. Puking and passing out are not strangers to my vocabulary.

Being natty, one has to keep a close eye on energy levels to make gains. I work out Mon-Wed-Fri doing Legs-Chest, shoulders,tris-Back,bis respectivly. By the end of friday I have a hard time walking I'm so damn exhausted. If anything, I may be working out with TOO MUCH INTENSITY, and thereby hampering my gains. This is one of my reasons for doing rack pulls.


There is an EXCELLENT sticky from REALGAINS on the women's training board regarding training without gear.

 

[DrBones]

C-Sharp = If your burning out by Friday, Try lowering your volume....
How many sets do you do for each body part?
Thanks

 

[louden_swain]

I am scheduled to perform partial deadlifts tommorow. I am using these to build mass in the back.

 

[jeremys]

i love the ideas of these, but i'm afraid i won't hit erectors well enough off a high pin. am i correct?

 

[bigliftsCNU]

I'm 34 and 100% natty. I have a VERY physically demanding job. I work out hard enough to leave myself on the borderline of overtraining constantly. Puking and passing out are not strangers to my vocabulary.

Being natty, one has to keep a close eye on energy levels to make gains. I work out Mon-Wed-Fri doing Legs-Chest, shoulders,tris-Back,bis respectivly. By the end of friday I have a hard time walking I'm so damn exhausted. If anything, I may be working out with TOO MUCH INTENSITY, and thereby hampering my gains. This is one of my reasons for doing rack pulls.


There is an EXCELLENT sticky from REALGAINS on the women's training board regarding training without gear.

aight cool.. im sorry.. that was just my first impression on what i got from reading your post.. sorry big guy

 

[c-sharp minor]

aight cool.. im sorry.. that was just my first impression on what i got from reading your post.. sorry big guy

It's cool bro.


I was just trying to explain my reasons for adding partials to my workout. I wanted to know what other people here thought of their effectiveness, and to hear what their results were when they performed them.