Dbol Test or Dbol and Deca

[aikido_thefirstone]

Just looking for some input and opinions. I'm on cycle 10 (or 9 not sure! ) and looking to bulk up a bit more. Diet is in check and protein intake is at 200 grams per day.

33 yrs old
6'2" tall
215 lbs
16 % BF

I looking to run one of these cylces below. Keep in mind that I get great results from low dosages so I'm not being a pussy, I just don't like to run high doses if my body still responds well from lower ones.

Paper Dbol: 40mg ED for wk 1-8
BD Deca: 250mg E7 Days wk 1-10

or

Paper Dbol: 40mg ED for wk 1-8
Test Cyp: 250 mg E7 Days wk 1-10

 

[Lowest]

I prefer test myself. However, at those doses, and this being your 9-10th cycle, I doubt you're going to see results. Especially with your bad diet. Bro you're 215lbs after 10 cycles? And only eating 200grams/day of protein? Up that to a good 300g/day at least! I'd run test 500/week, dbol 50mg/day myself, you can run less dbol but I'd still keep test at 500/week. You mainly just need more protein though, at your height you're rather lightweight for having run so many cycles. Not a flame, just saying perhaps your diet is the reason.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I'd run Test/Deca/Dbol. Get the Test that I feel is needed by most of us and the great effects of running Deca/Dbol together...

 

[showtime2004]

why wouldn't you run all 3?

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

no particular reason why I didn't plan to run all three. Just didn't think I needed to. I'm not in any rush. My first cycle was in 1990 and I have been on and off gear ever since. I just came back from a bad accident that put me out for over a year now. I was 175lbs just 3 years ago so i put on some decent weight IMO. Yeah, i'm sure my diet can do better but i'm happy with my gains and what i built up so far.

300 grams of protein a day? No shit? I'll give it a try. I thought the rule of thumb was 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight? Am I wrong or do you think it's just better to run more protein per day?

 

[Lowest]

I think 1g/lb is the minimum you should eat just to maintain. If you're 215, and trying to build muscle, AND taking steroids... well, steroids work in a large part by increasing protein synthesis. So, the more protein you're eating, the more the gear has to work with. I try to get 250g/day minimum and I weigh about 180, when I cut I get 300/day. Works wonders.

 

[c17]

I prefer test myself. However, at those doses, and this being your 9-10th cycle, I doubt you're going to see results. Especially with your bad diet. Bro you're 215lbs after 10 cycles? And only eating 200grams/day of protein? Up that to a good 300g/day at least! I'd run test 500/week, dbol 50mg/day myself, you can run less dbol but I'd still keep test at 500/week. You mainly just need more protein though, at your height you're rather lightweight for having run so many cycles. Not a flame, just saying perhaps your diet is the reason.

i was thinking that about the protein only 200g thats not even a pound per body weight.

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

I'll give it a shot. I have plenty of wey protein so it's easy enough to up it. maybe I should be at 350 to 400 grams a day then? (all things being relative).

 

[DiamondCutCows]

i was thinking that about the protein only 200g thats not even a pound per body weight.

If I were to ever eat 1g/lb of weight I would lose probably like 2-3 lbs/week, LOL.

Consider what his Diet ratio might be and it could be INCREDIBLE that he ways what he does!

If he's around 40-40-20 thats like 2500 cals a day. 600 less than I would CUT with.

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

If I were to ever eat 1g/lb of weight I would lose probably like 2-3 lbs/week, LOL.

Consider what his Diet ratio might be and it could be INCREDIBLE that he ways what he does!

If he's around 40-40-20 thats like 2500 cals a day. 600 less than I would CUT with.

How many cals do you take in during your bulking cycle?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

How many cals do you take in during your bulking cycle?

4200, but Im trying to get to 230 before my cycle. Will up as needed

 

[DiamondCutCows]

How many cals do you take in during your bulking cycle?

4200, Im trying to get to 230 before my next cycle. Will up as needed

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

I'm looking to put on 5 to 10 lbs of lean mass. Once I get to that, I'll be happy (i think!) and then I just plan to cut. I don't want to much mass due to my job and sports.

 

[BigTmMan009]

I think u need more protien too. I've always hear 2grams per pound when on gear. Im 6'7''/215lbs and resting I burn something like 3000 cals. So eat up. O ya bro most of your protien should come from food not just whey.

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

the 200grams of protein is just wey. I'm not couning food protein since it varies. i eat clean but due to my job, eating mostly food protein is really hard. my protein from good is between 80 to 90 grams a day bringing the total protein to 280 or so. But from reading these replies, I guess I'm still to low.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Thats funny. I dont count Whey. I ONLY count food. I feel you're going about it backwards...

the 200grams of protein is just wey. I'm not couning food protein since it varies. i eat clean but due to my job, eating mostly food protein is really hard. my protein from good is between 80 to 90 grams a day bringing the total protein to 280 or so. But from reading these replies, I guess I'm still to low.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Run all three.. if you can't afford it... save up more, and get enough gear...

 

[Swoolen_Puppy]

Paper Dbol: 40mg ED for wk 1-8
BD Deca: 250mg E7 Days wk 1-10

or

Paper Dbol: 40mg ED for wk 1-8
Test Cyp: 250 mg E7 Days wk 1-10

I would run all 3 like everyone said unless you have a problem with the deca like I do. Deca fucks me up so I just leave it alone. I personally think the d-bol is on the long side. I would run it 4-6wks max personally. Since you have several cycles under your belt then I would bump the test to a minimum of 500mgs/wk. I am on a similar cycle to yours and I love it. This is what mine looks like.

test prop 100mg/eod wks 1-4 (front load)
d-bol 50mg/ed wks 1-4 (front load)
test cyp 1000mgs/wk wks 1-10

I am currently in week 4 and its kicking ass. I was going to add eq but I am going to wait untill the next cycle. I still might add some proviron for a few weeks to harden up but thats still questionable. If I were you I would do something like this........

d-bol 50 mgs/ed wks 1-4
test 500mgs/wk wks 1-10

Or

d-bol 50 mgs/ed wks 1-4
test 500mgs/wk wks 1-12
deca 250 mgs/wk wks 1-12