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IceMan111

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Looking to starta cycle consisting of :

DBOL
Test 400
Decca
Winny
Also have some Armidex and HcG on hand. When should I start taking that, and does that cover my PCT or do I need something for when my cycle ends ? Nova maybe ?

Stats:
Age; 24
3rd cycle (first using decca, dbol and test 400...only used Test Prop/Cyp ,EQ,Winny and Anavar before but didnt do it correctly and didnt keep much gains although it did give me noticeable size and strength while on)
Height ; 6'0
Weight; 190
Current BF%- not much (only on lower abs... unable to calculate it)

Diet : High protein (200mg) , medium carbs , low fat , 2500 calories per day
Weight training everyday. Boxing/MMA 3 -4 times a week. Looking for strength, size , aggression, endurance , increased sex drive. Not looking to sacrifice cardio.

Not sure how long I should run each compound. Looking for advice from experienced and passed user, looking to help me tweak my diet for my needs and goals. Thanks alot in advance
 
Dbol can give you lot of pumps and screw cardio. Winny screwed my cardio bad too think cus of cholesterol levels. How sensitive are you to getting a pump while on things. Almost everything hurts my cardio cus of pump feeling have to warm up a lot more and stretch to be okay.
 
Usually I do a quick 10 min skipping to warm up and hit the weights on or off gear. Definetly when Im on my pumps coming quicker and more intense...With my experience when I mulled around with Dbol on for only a week once, By my second or thrid set of my first exercise I feel the pump coming and follows my intesity.
 
So running DBOL with Test and Decca wont be too much ? Doest the DBOL suppress Testosterone? or is that only in big doses ?
 
I'm interested to see how to this works out. Ive never combined DBol with Test/Decca before . Just done the test/Decca cycle and got me pretty big. Do it properly so you can keep the gains
 
It will suppress your test but works well is a good combo for size all 3 great for mass but definitely lose cardio which said important but probably wont be too bad for what are wanting
 
Run test at 400-600 be a good amount 300-500 deca and dbol first 4 weeks at 20-40mg a day would suggest.

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I cant comment on the winny, but the dbol, deca, test is a killer cycle. The pumps are crazy while on the dbol, but its a great kick start. I am about to run the same cycle.

weeks 1 - 10
750mg Test E /wk
400mg Deca / wk

weeks 1 - 5
40mg Dbol / day

I have a bunch of winny, but I never thought of throwing it in at the end of a bulking cycle. I would be interested at how well it would work at the end of a bulk.


IceMan111 said:
So running DBOL with Test and Decca wont be too much ? Doest the DBOL suppress Testosterone? or is that only in big doses ?
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Dbol will suppress your NATURAL testosterone but so will injectable testosterone and deca. That's why you do PCT to recover your bodies own natural hormone production.
 
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Holy shit, I did my first injection last night of deca(200mg) and test-e(375mg) and i can't hardly sit down. I have never been this sore even on a prop/tren cycle. I did this same cycle the year before last but a different brand and just had a small amount of soreness. This is going to suck.
 
Got some arimdex and hcg on hand. When's the right time to run both ? And also is novadex needed after the cycles finished? Does DBol give migraines ? Or is that from Test?
 
Is my body fat at a level where it's ok to run this cycle? And if I keep gaining a little bit of ab fat will that go away at the end with diet and the Winny to give me the cut up look?
 
IceMan111 said:
Looking to starta cycle consisting of :

DBOL
Test 400
Decca
Winny
Also have some Armidex and HcG on hand. When should I start taking that, and does that cover my PCT or do I need something for when my cycle ends ? Nova maybe ?

Stats:
Age; 24
3rd cycle (first using decca, dbol and test 400...only used Test Prop/Cyp ,EQ,Winny and Anavar before but didnt do it correctly and didnt keep much gains although it did give me noticeable size and strength while on)
Height ; 6'0
Weight; 190
Current BF%- not much (only on lower abs... unable to calculate it)

Diet : High protein (200mg) , medium carbs , low fat , 2500 calories per day
Weight training everyday. Boxing/MMA 3 -4 times a week. Looking for strength, size , aggression, endurance , increased sex drive. Not looking to sacrifice cardio.

Not sure how long I should run each compound. Looking for advice from experienced and passed user, looking to help me tweak my diet for my needs and goals. Thanks alot in advance
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Good luck bro.

I've been thinking about trying Deca for years, but the bros on this forum usually talk me out of it.

Just be careful, I keep hearing over and over that the recovery with Deca can be terrible.
 
How so ? I guess it's different for every person. But are you talking side effects/ mental problems or psychical recovery time takes along time ?
 
IceMan111 said:
Is my body fat at a level where it's ok to run this cycle? And if I keep gaining a little bit of ab fat will that go away at the end with diet and the Winny to give me the cut up look?
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Dude, I think you need to lay off the aas and just work on getting your diet and workout in check. By your pics, I can say you are not ready. If you already have then I would stop. Unless you learn to eat right and get your training in order, your going to end up right back where you are now.
 
That's why I was asking before I started . What should I do shed the fat than build off that ? I already have all the gear but it doesn't expire for a while so I'm in no rush
 
I want to do this as close to professional as possible
. Looking for the best results . No advice is bad advice in my book. Let me know the proper way and process (loose fat. than start aas ...etc) thanks
 
IceMan111 said:
How so ? I guess it's different for every person. But are you talking side effects/ mental problems or psychical recovery time takes along time ?
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I'm not well versed on the mental side effects;
but as far as the physical, I've been led to believe that natural testosterone production can be suppressed for a long time due to Deca.
 
IceMan111 said:
Looking to starta cycle consisting of :

DBOL
Test 400
Decca
Winny
Also have some Armidex and HcG on hand. When should I start taking that, and does that cover my PCT or do I need something for when my cycle ends ? Nova maybe ?

Stats:
Age; 24
3rd cycle (first using decca, dbol and test 400...only used Test Prop/Cyp ,EQ,Winny and Anavar before but didnt do it correctly and didnt keep much gains although it did give me noticeable size and strength while on)
Height ; 6'0
Weight; 190
Current BF%- not much (only on lower abs... unable to calculate it)

Diet : High protein (200mg) , medium carbs , low fat , 2500 calories per day
Weight training everyday. Boxing/MMA 3 -4 times a week. Looking for strength, size , aggression, endurance , increased sex drive. Not looking to sacrifice cardio.

Not sure how long I should run each compound. Looking for advice from experienced and passed user, looking to help me tweak my diet for my needs and goals. Thanks alot in advance
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Im not trying to be an asshole bro but this is your 3rd cycle and you seriously have to ask if adex and hcg will cover you PCT??? Also Nolva and Deca is a serious no no.. Do yourself a favor and really do some research and figure everything out.. Get you a good diet and workout routine going and then possibly think about running a cycle in the future
 
So you don't consider me asking questions figuring it out and doing research ? Tell me something ..,. Are you born with knowledge or do you acquire it threw asking and reading? That's what I'm doing. If you read my post correctly you'd seen I said my last 2 cycles were test and a winny/ anavar. Nothing involving these compounds. Thats why I'm asking these questions to previous users with experience . I'm trying to avoid problems and do it right. Not tryin to be an asshole or nothing , everyone's got their own opinions.
 
You wanna gain muscle? Eat protein! 200g/day for your size is not a "high protein diet." 1 1/2- 2 grams per pound body weight is what you need. Eat more!
 
I've upped my protein. Pre made all my egg whites and chicken breasts so I can eat on the go at work. Also have my oatmeal in the morning. Protein shakes and bars in between. Been eating whole wheat bread but might change to eizeikel bread along the way. Have my nuts and oats to snack on. Lean turkey and beefs also and all the water I can drink.
 
IceMan111 said:
So you don't consider me asking questions figuring it out and doing research ? Tell me something ..,. Are you born with knowledge or do you acquire it threw asking and reading? That's what I'm doing. If you read my post correctly you'd seen I said my last 2 cycles were test and a winny/ anavar. Nothing involving these compounds. Thats why I'm asking these questions to previous users with experience . I'm trying to avoid problems and do it right. Not tryin to be an asshole or nothing , everyone's got their own opinions.
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I think what crixus means is:
The problem people are going to have is that you have done cycles in the past and judging by your pics you probably were not ready then to cycle. Also, you already have your stuff for the cycle you are wanting to do and you don't know what to do with it. Before I did my first cycle several years ago I obsessed over researching what would be best for me to start with and knew exactly what I needed and how much. Use the search feature. Read about compounds. I know it's tempting to use aas to get a quick fix, but if you have no foundation to build on you will be right back where you are now with no motivation because you lost it all. I think if you would have posted something like: "I have cycled in the past but I really didn't know what I was doing and I would like some advice on what would be a good beginner cycle for me to start over with"... you would have gotten much more positive suggestions and responses. Feel free to PM me if you want some more direct advice.
 
Thank you.. I haven't started it. All I'm looking for is advice and help. I'll definitely pm you with questions if I have some. Thank you.
 
So when I'm ready . Tell me if I need altering with this cycle. I still need to figure out the mg per week or day so it's not set in stone. This is why I'm asking for help tweaking.

Test 400- 200 mg a week.
Decca - 100 mg a week
Arimdex - (need to find out mg per day/week)
Hcg- start week 6.
Clomid 8 days after my last shot for PCT.
Test run for 2 weeks longer than the Decca.

Am I missing something ?
 
how often do you workout? doesn't look like you workout at all in your pics. i do give you props for posting them though

I have 2 links in my signature you need to follow for the next 6 months. then you can worry about juicing.. a bulking diet and a workout blueprint strategy using 3 day splits. follow this and you will get results.
 
IceMan111 said:
Is my body fat at a level where it's ok to run this cycle? And if I keep gaining a little bit of ab fat will that go away at the end with diet and the Winny to give me the cut up look?
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Bro not to be a dick but it looks like you have a lil gyno as well
 
Your not being a dick at all bro. You keep it real , id rather that than a liar. I was worried it was that. But figured it was body fat. I'm coming off a 8 month lay off of no pshyical activity. So It might Not look Like i work Out alot. I'm almost at my second month of trimming down. Lost a lot of weight. Guess I need to loose more. Is there a way to get rid of the gyno or am I screwed lol.
 
^^^you probably developed gyno on your last 2 cycles not running the proper ancillaries.

talk to CK, he is a pro on gyno stuff. might want to forget about using anything that aromatizes in the future .. no reason why you cant use masteron and primo.

but in the meantime you need to get back in the gym
 
Ye must've been my first time around because second one was just a winny/ anavar mix and from what I read they don't aromatize. Unless I'm mistaken. Also isn't Decca Low aromatisizing as well ? I'm going by what I read on certain websites.
 
IceMan111 said:
Ye must've been my first time around because second one was just a winny/ anavar mix and from what I read they don't aromatize. Unless I'm mistaken. Also isn't Decca Low aromatisizing as well ? I'm going by what I read on certain websites.
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not sure what website you read deca is low aromatizing but i would delete that site out of your favorites.

deca is the king of gyno and not a good idea for a first cycle
 
Makes sense lol. I didn't run a proper PCT with it , that can be why. I've always had a little body fat since and always tried convincing myself it wasn't gyno lol. I know this might be a noob question (although seems all of mine are) . If I forget my original cycle plan and focus on strict diet and cutting weight. Would it be a dumb idea to throw some winny and anavar in a couple months?
 
^^^ you need to run caber while on deca and an AI... you will develop gyno during cycle if you are prone for sure.

thats why deca is a bad choice for a first timer, whoever recommended you take deca for a first cycle deserves a kick in the nuts.

yes it would be dumb to use winny and var. waste of money, you have zero muscle conditioning.. you take off a month or more and your conditioning will be shot to hell..
 
Lol I'll find the guy and give him one for sure . Thanks guys. No I'll will from me boys. So don't think I'm upset or anything. I'd rather the truth about this than anything. Thanks guys
 
I got no reason to have a hissy fit for not hearing what I don't wanna hear. I'm not a little kid lol. Like I said if I'm gonna do this I wanna do it correctly. I got the luxury of time so why rush ?
 
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