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Dbol + Deca Pro Cons?
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I'm doing D-BOL and Deca at the mo... I've gained 7lb in the first week... mostly water!
D-Bol Weeks 1-5 (20mg ED 1st week 25mg ED the rest)
Deca Weeks 1-10 (200mg weeks 1-4, 200mg every 5 days weeks 5-10)
Winny Weeks 8-12 (25 -30mg)
I can't really tell you how effective it'll be for a few weeks yet, I'm interested to see how much a novice can put on with small doses!
D-Bol Weeks 1-5 (20mg ED 1st week 25mg ED the rest)
Deca Weeks 1-10 (200mg weeks 1-4, 200mg every 5 days weeks 5-10)
Winny Weeks 8-12 (25 -30mg)
I can't really tell you how effective it'll be for a few weeks yet, I'm interested to see how much a novice can put on with small doses!
I saved this to my HDD a few weeks ago I can't remember who posted it... It might have been Iron Game... but I'm not sure:
Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions
Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as
well as some of the more experienced.
Question: What is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by
doctors to trigger ovulation in females.
Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?
Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of
the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he
has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a
state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are
low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle
is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more
gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating
hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the
body's own testosterone production.
Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an
anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it
will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the
same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching
to the ER.
Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?
Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be
using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed
to gyno. Arimidex, Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for
this purpose.
Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?
Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic
androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high,
the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus
stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body
to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels
than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid
will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but
completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an
anti-estrogen.
Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.
Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you
were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes
and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above,
if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will
be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing
our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose
gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid
therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle
and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For
example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it
remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 - 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.
Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up
doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback
on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after
our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to
start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little
high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be
effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help
even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I
said don't split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2
tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use
100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.
Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?
Answer: Why don't you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can
mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.
Question: How cheap is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form
of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15
pence and 75 pence in England).
Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.
Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take
into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose
in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so
cheap, why risk not using it.
Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions
Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as
well as some of the more experienced.
Question: What is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by
doctors to trigger ovulation in females.
Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?
Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of
the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he
has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a
state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are
low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle
is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more
gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating
hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the
body's own testosterone production.
Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an
anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it
will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the
same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching
to the ER.
Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?
Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be
using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed
to gyno. Arimidex, Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for
this purpose.
Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?
Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic
androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high,
the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus
stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body
to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels
than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid
will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but
completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an
anti-estrogen.
Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.
Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you
were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes
and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above,
if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will
be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing
our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose
gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid
therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle
and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For
example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it
remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 - 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.
Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up
doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback
on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after
our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to
start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little
high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be
effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help
even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I
said don't split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2
tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use
100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.
Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?
Answer: Why don't you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can
mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.
Question: How cheap is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form
of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15
pence and 75 pence in England).
Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.
Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take
into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose
in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so
cheap, why risk not using it.
That seems to be a pretty mild cycle but if you are prone to gyno you will probably get it even at those dosages. I would recommend getting an anti-e just in case, I personally like liquidex, it's the best choice dollar for dollar although it is expensive at around $240-260 per 20ml. As for the clomid that will definitely help you keep your gains at the end of your cycle, just do a search for it and you should find plenty of info. Hope this helps.
My experience with a deca/d-bol stack wasnt that great.I just finished it a few weeks ago,I did 25mg a day of d-bol and 300mg a week of deca.My gains were pretty good,I gained about 18 pounds.But I felt very sluggish and tired during the cycle and I had very little sex drive,next cycle I will definately have test in it.I would recomend you do at least 1cc of test with your cycle.
