Dbol and winny, yah or nay?

[Beachbum1546]

I want to run test Enanthate, dbol, winny, and clen. clen is being used for it's anticatabolic affects.


1-10 test E 500mg/wk
1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
8-12 winny 50mg/day
12-14 clen 60mcg/day
12 clomid 50mg ed
13 clomid 100mg eod
14 clomid 50mg ed
14-16 ECA
16-18 Clen 60-80 mcgs/day.

Will my liver be hurting too much? I want to harden up and maybe even lean out at the end. This would be my first cycle if i run it.

 

[Mr.X]

Drop in some milk thisle and cranberry extract, as well as some R-ala (good anti-ox) and you shouldn't have a problem. However, I would run the dbol and winny together IMO.

 

[Outtlaw]

Looks good to me. Like X said, you can always use protectants. I'd prob run the winny for 6wks though.

 

[Beachbum1546]

Drop in some milk thisle and cranberry extract, as well as some R-ala (good anti-ox) and you shouldn't have a problem.

Cool, i can pick those up at any vitiamin shop?

However, I would run the dbol and winny together IMO.

at the same time? or is this a type and you meant "shouldn't?"

 

[Beachbum1546]

Looks good to me. Like X said, you can always use protectants. I'd prob run the winny for 6wks though.

okay, wk 6-12 or 8-14?

 

[Beachbum1546]

if you notice i added 400mg/wk of EQ, i totally forgot to put that in.

 

[Outtlaw]

if you notice i added 400mg/wk of EQ, i totally forgot to put that in.

In that case you could prob throw out one of the orals. If you run the winny I'd do 6-12.

 

[Beachbum1546]

In that case you could prob throw out one of the orals. If you run the winny I'd do 6-12.

what would it be like if i threw out the dbol and put the winny at the front for 6wks?

 

[Outtlaw]

what would it be like if i threw out the dbol and put the winny at the front for 6wks?

That'll work too. But if you want more kick, then go with the dbol. I think you'd get more from the winny at the end.

 

[Mr.X]

Cool, i can pick those up at any vitiamin shop?

Yes you can...
AF store carries things like liver detox too:
https://www.anabolicfitness.net/sho...dbce3016dc7d4febd4d1e&name=Health+Supplements

at the same time? or is this a type and you meant "shouldn't?"

No, I meant I would run dbol and winny, but not one after the other, I would run them together and stop the dbol at 6 weeks and keep running the winny.

Mr.X

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I want to run test Enanthate, dbol, winny, and clen. clen is being used for it's anticatabolic affects.


1-10 test E 500mg/wk
1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
8-12 winny 50mg/day
12-14 clen 60mcg/day
12 clomid 50mg ed
13 clomid 100mg eod
14 clomid 50mg ed
14-16 ECA
16-18 Clen 60-80 mcgs/day.

Will my liver be hurting too much? I want to harden up and maybe even lean out at the end. This would be my first cycle if i run it.

EQ is very slow for gains, and lean gains at that, if your goal is to bulk up I would take some deca instead of the eq

 

[Beachbum1546]

EQ is very slow for gains, and lean gains at that, if your goal is to bulk up I would take some deca instead of the eq

i'm kinda scared of deca because of the progesterone related gyno. scares me that clomid or nolva cant take care of it. the fat burning (i think i'm right) properties of deca is a nice feature though.

maybe if i took winny while i took deca the winny would take up the progesterone receptors so i wouldnt have to worry about the progesterone related gyno.

would that mean i should run winny 10 wks with the deca? i feel that would be too hard on the liver. would all the meds that Mr.X recommended help enough?

 

[Beachbum1546]

Yes you can...
AF store carries things like liver detox too:
https://www.anabolicfitness.net/sho...dbce3016dc7d4febd4d1e&name=Health+Supplements





No, I meant I would run dbol and winny, but not one after the other, I would run them together and stop the dbol at 6 weeks and keep running the winny.

Mr.X

ahh great, i'll hit them up. thanks

6 wks of dbol and 10 or 12 wks(?) of winny.

 

[Schutzhund1]

beachbum
I've been researching clen's anticatabolic effects and I can't seem to find any study where men were able to notice an anticatibolic effect from clen at the dosages you will probably be taking it at.

There are studies in cattle that in extreme doses (that would probably kill your or I) that clen has anticatabolic properties but I would not be counting on it for PCT.

 

[ericahls]

I want to run test Enanthate, dbol, winny, and clen. clen is being used for it's anticatabolic affects.


1-10 test E 500mg/wk
1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
8-12 winny 50mg/day
12-14 clen 60mcg/day
12 clomid 50mg ed
13 clomid 100mg eod
14 clomid 50mg ed
14-16 ECA
16-18 Clen 60-80 mcgs/day.

Will my liver be hurting too much? I want to harden up and maybe even lean out at the end. This would be my first cycle if i run it.

Use Nolva instead of Clomid, it is proven to be better at PCT than Clomid is.

 

[Mr.X]

ahh great, i'll hit them up. thanks

6 wks of dbol and 10 or 12 wks(?) of winny.

Stick to 8-10 weeks w/ Winny, some say running orals over 6 weeks is not good, but I see it otherwise. Stick to ballpark 8 weeks on the winny IMO.

Mr.X

 

[Beachbum1546]

beachbum
I've been researching clen's anticatabolic effects and I can't seem to find any study where men were able to notice an anticatibolic effect from clen at the dosages you will probably be taking it at.

There are studies in cattle that in extreme doses (that would probably kill your or I) that clen has anticatabolic properties but I would not be counting on it for PCT.

that's interesting. i have always heard that it's anticatabolic. now, i have heard confusion on it being anabolic. it can be anabolic in animal due to them having beta-2 receptors, or some BS like that. But humans cant becuase we have beta-2 receptors as well but not enough to make a significant difference.

 

[Beachbum1546]

Use Nolva instead of Clomid, it is proven to be better at PCT than Clomid is.

how would you recommend i run the nolva?