dateline-to catch a predator

[markshark]

i met a prosecutor that worked with dateline and prosecuted these assholes. he told me to NEVER let my 9 year old on the internet without me being right there. childrens minds can be manipulated. this is why it is wrong. we call someone a child for a reason. they are not old enough to make their own decisions. they truly believe the person they are going to meet is a nice person and sees nothing wrong with it. then they end up dead. yes i do believe their faces should be plastered all over the place. do you also think the sexual predators list is wrong too? they have to register as a sex offender and anyone can look online and see who lives near their home. is that wrong to do also? there is a house here in Jacksonville that houses sexual predators so they have a place to stay when they get out of jail. people here are trying to outlaw it and not allow a group of them to live together because that urge NEVER goes away. they can easily team up and grab whoever they choose and nobody would ever know.

bottom line is the adult should know better that its wrong to do it and when a child pushes themselves onto them they need to turn away. but for these asshole its hard to do and the children get hurt.

i agree with everything you say. my point of discussion was on punishing the nature of a person and their biological disposition.

 

[heatherrae]

i agree with everything you say. my point of discussion was on punishing the nature of a person and their biological disposition.

If you argue that, you wouldn't punish anyone for anything, EVER. The same argument can be made of rapists, serial killers, armed robbers, etc.

 

[Phaded]

macaroni niggas impastas

 

[heatherrae]

ok you are going off on a tangent. i never blamed the 13 year old. i would kill a man that did that to my child. at the same time its hard for me to say that his sexual fetish is "wrong" because its something these people cant help. its the same with gays or people that like bein hung up and whipped. its not their fault they enjoy that.

Being gay with someone is a consensual act between two adults.

Raping a 13 year old girl is not.

Thinking about sex with a teen is not a crime. Going to her house to have sex with her is. They aren't punished for their fetishes. They are punished for their ACTS.

Yes, these people can control themselves. You and I control ourselves every day.

If I see a guy walking down the street and think he's hot, I don't just go up and grab him. That would be assault. We aren't cavemen/cavewomen!

 

[Phaded]

Being gay with someone is a consensual act between two adults.

Raping a 13 year old girl is not.

Thinking about sex with a teen is not a crime. Going to her house to have sex with her is. They aren't punished for their fetishes. They are punished for their ACTS.

Yes, these people can control themselves. You and I control ourselves every day.

If I see a guy walking down the street and think he's hot, I don't just go up and grab him. That would be assault. We aren't cavemen/cavewomen!

their being entrapped by usually a willing partner.

 

[heatherrae]

Lots of them make the argument of entrapment. However, in order to have entrapment you have to prove (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.

Here, the government isn't acting. However, if I were hired to defend the men, I would try to say that the government is working so closely with these groups, that they are essentially the actors inducing the crime.

The problem here is predisposition to commit the crime. Even if inducement has been shown, a finding of predisposition is fatal to the defense of entrapment. The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime." Thus, predisposition should not be confused with intent to commit the crime. The guy can have the intent to commit the crime, yet be entrapped. Also, predisposition may exist even in the absence of prior criminal involvement. A seminal case on the issue states that "the ready commission of the criminal act," such as where a defendant promptly accepts an undercover agent's offer of an opportunity to buy or sell drugs, may in and of itself establish the predisposition of the defendant.

So, what I'm saying is that I would try to make that argument if I were the defense attorney, but it is about 95% likely to fail unless the judge was buying that the government was really just acting by and through third parties and the transcripts of the conversation really showed the guy saying that he didn't want to do it and basically taking no part of it. If you had a guy like that, he probably wouldn't show up at the house with rubbers and beer in the first place...lol.

that is not entrapment ^^^^^^ see above.

 

[Phaded]

that is not entrapment ^^^^^^ see above.

their creating a crime that didn't exist.

 

[heatherrae]

their creating a crime that didn't exist.

that is not the definition of entrapment.

Ummmm....no, they are not MAKING them do anything. 1000 boys could tell me that they are 17 and want to fuck my brains out, and I would say no 1000 times.

Undercover stings have been ruled constitutional time and time again. If these guys did not have the predisposition to rape children, 100 undercover agents could come on to them, and they would say "Hell NO!"

 

[biteme]

ok you are going off on a tangent. i never blamed the 13 year old. i would kill a man that did that to my child. at the same time its hard for me to say that his sexual fetish is "wrong" because its something these people cant help. its the same with gays or people that like bein hung up and whipped. its not their fault they enjoy that.

I have a fetish of getting a monkey to shit on my head.

 

[heatherrae]

I have a fetish for breaking into your house and stealing your things. So, don't punish me. I can't help myself. It is my psychology.