Damnit, should I come off?

[thebigmofo]

I am 32 6'0 241. I am in week 9 of my 2nd cycle:
wk 1-8 600mg Test Cyp per week
wk 9-12 400mg Test Cyp per week
wk 1-8 Fina 75mg EOD
wk 9-13 QV stan 50mg ED

I have never had trouble with high BP. I went to the doc yesterday and my BP was 150/90. He also said I now have a heart murmur. I was told to see a cardiologist. Should I finish or throw in the towel. When I am off my BP is 115/70. I know if he runs tests, everything will be off because I am On. Are heart murmurs that serious? I think my BP will come back soon as I am off. Any help would be great! This is the best cycle yet, but if it is a matter of living or dying then it's a no brainer.

 

[steez]

I am 32 6'0 241. I am in week 9 of my 2nd cycle:
wk 1-8 600mg Test Cyp per week
wk 9-12 400mg Test Cyp per week
wk 1-8 Fina 75mg EOD
wk 9-13 QV stan 50mg ED

I have never had trouble with high BP. I went to the doc yesterday and my BP was 150/90. He also said I now have a heart murmur. I was told to see a cardiologist. Should I finish or throw in the towel. When I am off my BP is 115/70. I know if he runs tests, everything will be off because I am On. Are heart murmurs that serious? I think my BP will come back soon as I am off. Any help would be great! This is the best cycle yet, but if it is a matter of living or dying then it's a no brainer.

my boys been running prop 4 3months and his bp is even higher than that...id say finish your shit(if its not too much longer and if the high bp the only prob) on the other i cant tell u shit about the murmer...so i'll let some of the vets chip in.

 

[uniden44]

My brother has a heart murmor, as far as I know its not something that is that serious, but again I'm not def. sure. and really don't know too many specifics about it...I will ask him more about it and post back when I know. Good luck!

 

[Ulter]

What is your aromatese inhibitor and dose?

 

[thebigmofo]

I don't really bloat that much. I have armidex on hand. I will also be using clomid and hcg for PCT. This cycle is real similar to my first. Just a little more test a week and added Winstrol. My BP was in check first cycle

 

[Ulter]

What do you think is raising your BP? Gyno is not the only reason to use an AI with steroids. I'm assuming your salt is low. Get on the arimidex at 1mg/day.

 

[fivefold]

Heart murmurs are sometimes caused by defective heart valves, although they can be caused by many other factors. Most murmurs don't mean anything is wrong. But rarely, they are a sign of a problem with the heart. I work on a cardiac telemetry floor, and heart murmurs alone are no big deal. But I would suggest either being honest with the cardiologist or waiting till your cycle and PCT are complete before seeing the Doc so you can at least get an accurate reading of how your body is doing without the influence of Juice/PCT.

 

[thebigmofo]

Heart murmurs are sometimes caused by defective heart valves, although they can be caused by many other factors. Most murmurs don't mean anything is wrong. But rarely, they are a sign of a problem with the heart. I work on a cardiac telemetry floor, and heart murmurs alone are no big deal. But I would suggest either being honest with the cardiologist or waiting till your cycle and PCT are complete before seeing the Doc so you can at least get an accurate reading of how your body is doing without the influence of Juice/PCT.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I don't think another month will kill me. I would rather get an accurate reading instead of freaking the doc out with my test results. How long after PCT, should everything be back to normal.

 

[Big_Joe]

If I was you I would take an aspirin a day until you are done with pct. This tends to thin the blood and might/should help with your bp and maybe the murmur.

 

[thebigmofo]

I just started taking an aspirin a day. I'll keep a check on BP. I hope this isn't my last cycle. Do you think it was the Test or Fina? or a combo of both?

 

[Stainless_Steel]

Why didn't your doc put you on a bp med?

 

[deltron2000]

its gotta be that nasty FINA. drop the fina stat

 

[thebigmofo]

I finished the fina last week.

 

[slat1]

I would stop and start up PCT. I am 32 y/o though. I tend to look at the long term. I want to lead a full life with no limitations.

 

[Pikaberdot]

I'd expect your pressure to lower a bit since you've finished the Fina already.
Definitely listen to the other bros who suggested an aspirin a day, that's always helpful.

Here's a bit of information regarding heart murmurs:

What causes a heart murmur?
Heart murmurs may be caused by a number of factors or events, including:

* defective heart valves
* holes in the heart walls
* pregnancy (hopefully this isn't you.... haha)
* fever
* thyrotoxicosis
* anemia

What are the types of murmurs?

Types of murmurs include:

* diastolic murmur - occurs during heart muscle relaxation between beats. (this is rarely serious, but is more common. Don't worry about this, but you might want to stay away from stimulants like Clen, Ephedrine, at least while you're on cycle).

* systolic murmur - occurs during heart muscle contraction and is graded by intensity (on a scale of one to six, with one being very faint and six being extremely loud). Depending on how high your # is, it could be dangerous, but this probably isn't you.

* stenotic heart valve - valve cannot open completely, so blood is ejected through a smaller than normal opening. I am doubting this is your type of murmur, would've been noticed earlier in life, especially during strenous excercise.

* aortic or mitral regurgitation - valve may be unable to close completely, leading to regurgitation of blood back through the valve when it should be closed. Same as above

* innocent heart murmurs - sounds made by blood circulating through the chambers and valves of the heart or through blood vessels near the heart; sometimes referred to as "functional" or "physiologic" murmurs. Innocent murmurs are common in children and usually quite harmless and disappear when a child reaches adulthood, though some adults still have them. This is what I would guess you have, might have just never come up before your BP was raised.

 

[thelion2005]

See my k comments.

 

[TRAINHD]

I was diagnosed with a HEART MURMUR when a horse kicked me over the heart and broke two ribs.When they were done testing in the ER the doc told me that I now have a heart MURMUR,but he also told me that the only thing it might do is keep me from competeing at the olympics He told me to wait until my ribs heal fully,then hit the gym again.I should mention this all happened over three years ago,and the only thing I've noticed is that I get winded a little easier than i used to.Hope this helps Bro

 

[oubeta]

I would stop and go get a 2D-Echocardiogram with dopler flow study done as soon as possible. Something is causing the murmur. I have a murmur and the doc told me never to juice again or it could kill me.

 

[TRAINHD]

I would stop and go get a 2D-Echocardiogram with dopler flow study done as soon as possible. Something is causing the murmur. I have a murmur and the doc told me never to juice again or it could kill me.

I'm just curius to see how your doc can tell you that you could die by taking a substance that your body naturally produces anyway. Is your Doc one of those doctors that will tell you that steroids are made by the devil and that you'll go srtaight to hell for useing them? Just kidding Bro but I would like to see some evidence that Testosterone (The only Class 3 substance that naturally flows in your body)injected or taken orally is deadly but the Testosterone already in your body is OK

 

[jumpshot]

Get the echo.

Run a stress treadmill test.

Get the ecg.

Ask about a holter test (24 hour ecg tracing)

Any cardiologist worth a damn will have all three tests available in his/her office.

Take your health personally, and don't blindly trust the MD, not all are quality!

 

[dullboy]

no offense bro, but you're asking a pretty serious medical question concerning your health and possibly your life to a bunch of strangers on a computer message board.

it seems like you're looking for others to justify a decision that should really be made between you and your doctor(s).

dullboy says this out of heartfelt concern for you. it's christmas time.

 

[AlwaysOn]

don't blindly trust the MD, not all are quality!

amen

 

[jumpshot]

amen

I say that because I too have a heart condition. Nothing that will kill me tomorrow, but my father died from it (although he didn't take care of his body after college athletics).

I had to argue with my hmo cocksucking fucktard MD to get the tests I wanted run. I wouldn't have even known what to ask for had I not been in the business.

Seems like I rant on healthcare alot...but damn, it sucks!

 

[thebigmofo]

Thanks bros, some good info. I am going one more week, then PCT. I'll get it checked out. My BP is down a bit 135/70. It could have been the fina or it may be the asprin a day.