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DAMNIT! Deca gives me gyno. Question on Fina now....

Big Brother Val

Big Brother Val

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Three weeks into Deca, my nips started hurting so bad, I couldn't believe it. Especially on my right side. Just like the good ol' days when I'd cycle without clomid. But as we all know, clomid does shit for Deca.
So... I have no Winny, or anything else to combat the effects. So I had no choice but to stop the Deca.

I posted that Poll on Deca giving gyno... and it seems the majority of users don't get it. I'm in the smaller percentile, as it gave it to me right off.

So no offense to all you Deca lovers out there. I'm not really anti-Deca... but I'm not going to take it again. I really feel I'd grow well off of it... but I don't want a big pair of floppy boobs from it.

So here's my question. I'm going to start Fina pretty soon (I hope). If I'm sensitive to the Deca, does that mean the Fina will without a doubt cause gyno? Because I can't afford the Winny right now. So I either get the Fina and wait... or just start crackin' and start the Winny in about 4 weeks when I can afford it.
Not that I'm super impatient, mind you.
I just have a big wrestling show coming up in August, and would really like to look my best for it. Very important show for me. I was hoping to start Fina on Monday, at 75 mgs/ daily.
 
I got gyno off fina, but it was at very high doses. The gear is so short acting that if you start to get any signs you can stop pretty quick before you have full-blown hooters.
 
:( darn big brother, that sux, I thought you where going to love deca 2, sorry to hear that, how much where you taking? How much weight did you put on in the three weeks of use?
 
Hugh Gellatts said:
I got gyno off fina, but it was at very high doses. The gear is so short acting that if you start to get any signs you can stop pretty quick before you have full-blown hooters.
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Fina only??????

Andy
 
be careful bro, if you got gyno symptoms from deca you will definetely get from fina. i have done deca at 500 a week and no gyno, did fina at 75 mg a day and got fuckin gyno. this shit about getting symptoms and getting off and being ok is bullshit. i got the shit overnight and now i am taking winny to try to rid it. man, fina is the shit, but i tell you what its hard to beat winny at 100mg a day. this shit is the bomb. if you want to get hard and ripped just go with the winny and throw in some masteron or anavar. you wont be dissapointed. nothing has made me as strong as the winny.
 
I've had problems with gyno in the past on high dosage dbol and test cycles. Currently I'm shooting fina 75mg/day with no problems yet but I'm also using winny.
 
Mikey, I gained only 3 lbs. But... I was just under way. Taking 450 mgs a week. I thought I was going to do great as well.

Hugh... that's what I thought about it. Lasting 24-36 hours in the system, rather than a couple of weeks, I figured if they started to hurt, I could lay off. It's already working on the Deca, and that's not close to being out of the system yet. They aren't near as sore.

Busdriver.... how long were you taking the Fina before your gyno started, and were you taking it alone?

Lift or Die... how much Winny are you taking?

My concern is taking it without the Winny, as I said I just don't have the cash for it right now, but will in about 3-4 weeks. So unless someone knows where I can get Winny, and put payments on layaway, so to speak... then I'm screwed on that aspect.

From what I've read, the Fina doesn't aromtize that easily. And I'm sort of counting on that part of it... Is that a bad idea?
 
Andy

I was on fina (1000mg) a week/winstrol(50mg ED)/suspension (600mg a week), and taking .5mg armidex and clomid too. When I've used test before in gram quantities and .25mg armidex EOD or clomid only worked fine. I thought the gyno could still be from the suspension (chinese oil based that hits too fast) so I stopped that but stayed on the tren and winstrol. Even after dropping the suspension the swelling got worse, and I got nipple discharge (fucking scary when that happens).

Granted I was approuching E2 levels with the fina. The results are crazy at a gram, but so is the risk of sides.



Once I stopped the tren and stayed on winstrol the swelling went down some (jellybean sized lump on one side, small marble sized on the other).
 
i was a day shy of 5 weeks, i was doing anavar, 250mg test a week and the tren. i just thought when i got symptoms i would get off and do a little winny and be fine. hah, i thought wrong. i now have a puffy flabby pec to go along with my six pack, looks really nice cant wait to get back to the beach. SCREW ME !!!!!!



Big Brother Val said:
Mikey, I gained only 3 lbs. But... I was just under way. Taking 450 mgs a week. I thought I was going to do great as well.

Hugh... that's what I thought about it. Lasting 24-36 hours in the system, rather than a couple of weeks, I figured if they started to hurt, I could lay off. It's already working on the Deca, and that's not close to being out of the system yet. They aren't near as sore.

Busdriver.... how long were you taking the Fina before your gyno started, and were you taking it alone?

Lift or Die... how much Winny are you taking?

My concern is taking it without the Winny, as I said I just don't have the cash for it right now, but will in about 3-4 weeks. So unless someone knows where I can get Winny, and put payments on layaway, so to speak... then I'm screwed on that aspect.

From what I've read, the Fina doesn't aromtize that easily. And I'm sort of counting on that part of it... Is that a bad idea?
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I would say fina is easier on the PR sides than deca is but of course that may vary from individual to individual as well. The nice thing about fina is its so short lived that if sides start, you can lower dose or quite and have a lot less likely chance of suffering permanent damage.
 
Busdriver... that really blows, man.

Jeff... OQ makes me retain a lot of water. So I'll go for the EQ instead. I was really hopin' for the Fina... as I've read so many good things about it. I've already ordered it... so I've gotta hit it sooner or later.

Zyglamail... so you agree with Hugh. That does give me hope. I think I'm just going to go for it, and kinda see what happens.
 
I rty and follow all the fina and gyno threads pretty close and to be honest the only complaints I have seen regarding gyno from fina only dont start until 100mg/ed. Granted everyone is different, but at least with fina, you can make quick changes in dosage without bailing on a cycle.
 
exactly what dose to drop to depends on you. Tren only has a half life of like 30 hours, unlike deca that can stay with you for weeks. If you get symptoms and they are minor, back off dosage a tad, if they are more severe back em off more. I personally am making decent gains at just 75mg/eod so if you do need to take it that low, you still can benefit.
 
Right on, Big Z, thanks for the info. I'm thinking what I'll do is start off at 75 mgs a day... if the symptoms of gyno start, I'll back of to 75 eod... if that doesn't work... I'll probably just back off, until the Winny comes in, and start the process over again. I appreciate the help.
 
75mg's EOD should not pose a prob for you...winny on hand would be nice......Heh heh heh....Of course if you'd have listened to me in the first place, saved the money on the deca and bought EQ and winny.....heh heh heh....would we be on this thread:D :D :D :D

Deca sux....Long live the juice of the God's.....TEST IS BEST!!!

Ranger
 
I hear that, Ranger. No more Deca. But I was really curious. Now I know where the saying: "Curiosity gave gyno to the cat" came from.

I had used EQ so much, and I grow so well off of it, I wanted to sample another anabolic. Which is why the Fina is coming into play now.

I'm sorry.... I'll never stray from the path again!

After my Fina... I'm going to repent my sins, and tag a big 1200-1400 mgs of EQ a week for 12 weeks, damnit!
 
Just b/c your nips started to get sensitive doesn't necessarily mean that Gyno will develop. It's a pretty natural occurance to get sensitive nips b/c of the hormone changes in your body. I guess its better safe than sorry though.
 
I understand, Stups. Normally, when taking a lot of EQ, or Test, or even d-bol, or any combo thereof, I get sensitive. I've had gyno before, and it's not that they were just sensitive... this was PAINFUL. When my gal would lay on my chest... it felt like she was stabbing me with a steak knife. Not to mention the small lump behind my right nip.
 
"I'm going to repent my sins, and tag a big 1200-1400 mgs of EQ a week for 12 weeks, damnit!"


hells yeah Val, that is my next cycle exactly (first time using eq). What amount of anti-estros did you use with it? Also is their any benifit to adding proviron (to keep up sex drive/ feeling of well being)?
 
Hugh... The only anti-e I take on EQ is good old fashioned clomid. 50 mgs eod throughout, with the regular post cycle therapy starting around 2 weeks after my last shot. Keeps the gyno away. I've never used proviron with it... but I never really lose my sex drive on the EQ anyway. However, I've noticed when I'm taking high dosages of EQ with a simple 400 mgs of cypionate, not only did I not lose my sex drive... but it actually increased.
If it's your first experience with EQ, and you're takin' that high of a dose... I'm sure you're going to get great results.
 
EQ = Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate)
winny = Winstrol (stanozolol)
 
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