Dairy Fat - Good or Bad?

[rudy76]

I eat very very little fat in a day. My protein comes from beef, chicken and whey. Does anyone eat cheese for it's fat content and high cals?

 

[Tatyana]

I would love it if people would abandon the idea that foods are 'good' and 'bad'.

I would like to add to this that a lot of highly processed foods and refined sugar are not desireable, but a bit of this in your diet every now and then is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of your diet.

You need some saturated fats (which animal products have more of), and cholesterol, as this is the building block of vitamin D and all the sex steroid hormones (i.e. testosterone).

Fat is not a bad thing, in fact, it appears that the whole low fat craze over the last 20 years has only succeeded in making people MORE FAT.

I would introduce more fat into your diet, including things like olive oil, sesame oil, flaxseed oil, fish oils, seeds, nuts.

Some of these things come in capsule form.

I also think that eating dairy products like whole milk is probably preferable to skim, I would go the organic route with dairy products though.

 

[rudy76]

I would love it if people would abandon the idea that foods are 'good' and 'bad'.

I would like to add to this that a lot of highly processed foods and refined sugar are not desireable, but a bit of this in your diet every now and then is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of your diet.

You need some saturated fats (which animal products have more of), and cholesterol, as this is the building block of vitamin D and all the sex steroid hormones (i.e. testosterone).

Fat is not a bad thing, in fact, it appears that the whole low fat craze over the last 20 years has only succeeded in making people MORE FAT.

I would introduce more fat into your diet, including things like olive oil, sesame oil, flaxseed oil, fish oils, seeds, nuts.

Some of these things come in capsule form.

I also think that eating dairy products like whole milk is probably preferable to skim, I would go the organic route with dairy products though.

Thanks - I am following the Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle Book by Tom Venuto. I do eat a lot of seeds and nuts - overall I have a balanced diet just low on carbs and fat. Very low on fat I feel because I eat very lean meats and do not eat fast processed foods. However, I was unsure if cheese was a good source of fats and calories. I really never see anyone mention cheese in their diet plans.

 

[Tatyana]

Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle is great.

I think there is no cheese in most diets as most people get enough saturated fats in all the meat they eat.

Diet is quite individual, you could experiment on yourself, see if you are getting the results you want with cheese in your diet, if not, eliminate it, and see what happens then.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good post Tatyana.

I would love it if people would abandon the idea that foods are 'good' and 'bad'.

I would like to add to this that a lot of highly processed foods and refined sugar are not desireable, but a bit of this in your diet every now and then is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of your diet.

You need some saturated fats (which animal products have more of), and cholesterol, as this is the building block of vitamin D and all the sex steroid hormones (i.e. testosterone).

Fat is not a bad thing, in fact, it appears that the whole low fat craze over the last 20 years has only succeeded in making people MORE FAT.

I would introduce more fat into your diet, including things like olive oil, sesame oil, flaxseed oil, fish oils, seeds, nuts.

Some of these things come in capsule form.

I also think that eating dairy products like whole milk is probably preferable to skim, I would go the organic route with dairy products though.

 

[Mavafanculo]

a steak or two a week, or a few glasses of milk, or some cheese every here and there wont kill you, but a diet high in animal fats is positively correlated with CV disease and CV events vs a diet high in unsaturated fats (vegatble derived - olive oil, nuts, etc) in study after study.

Its the type of fat not the amount which determines health effects

here's an interesting article about a 40% drop in coronary heart disease after the Polish govt stopped subsidizing foods hi in animal and diary fat.

http://www.food-decisions.com/news/ng.asp?id=61431-saturated-fats-risk

 

[access]

Interested to know your thoughts on the whole milk recommendation Tatyana. I would have advised against this in anyones diet unless they were not getting any fats from elsewhere.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Even saturated fat has some benefits.

I don't worry about any of that shit. Get enough protein. Don't take in too many calories. Get to the gym.

 

[jumpmaster82]

^^^ agree

 

[Tatyana]

a steak or two a week, or a few glasses of milk, or some cheese every here and there wont kill you, but a diet high in animal fats is positively correlated with CV disease and CV events vs a diet high in unsaturated fats (vegatble derived - olive oil, nuts, etc) in study after study.

Its the type of fat not the amount which determines health effects

here's an interesting article about a 40% drop in coronary heart disease after the Polish govt stopped subsidizing foods hi in animal and diary fat.

http://www.food-decisions.com/news/ng.asp?id=61431-saturated-fats-risk

There are populations that contradict this, for example, historically the Innuit/Eskimo diet was almost entirely saturated fats.

There is also the 'French Paradox' as they eat a diet rich is saturated fats, and have a lower incidence of CV.

The low fat diet is now being called the 'American Paradox' as even though fat is decreasing in the typical American diet, so is the incidence of obesity (not sure about the incidence of CVD though).

This has also been demonstrated in the last 10 years in one of the Scandanavian countries, Denmark if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[Mavafanculo]

There are populations that contradict this, for example, historically the Innuit/Eskimo diet was almost entirely saturated fats.

There is also the 'French Paradox' as they eat a diet rich is saturated fats, and have a lower incidence of CV.

The low fat diet is now being called the 'American Paradox' as even though fat is decreasing in the typical American diet, so is the incidence of obesity (not sure about the incidence of CVD though).

This has also been demonstrated in the last 10 years in one of the Scandanavian countries, Denmark if my memory serves me correctly.

the eskimo paradox is "explained" by the marine fats being high in omega-3's which is CV protective, and the french paradox is supposedly based on hi levels of grape seed extract and resveratrol in the wine (both of which are cv/heart protective) those frenchies are always drining lol

i hear you on the american diet -

 

[thebadguy54]

I would love it if people would abandon the idea that foods are 'good' and 'bad'.

I would like to add to this that a lot of highly processed foods and refined sugar are not desireable, but a bit of this in your diet every now and then is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of your diet.

You need some saturated fats (which animal products have more of), and cholesterol, as this is the building block of vitamin D and all the sex steroid hormones (i.e. testosterone).

Fat is not a bad thing, in fact, it appears that the whole low fat craze over the last 20 years has only succeeded in making people MORE FAT.

I would introduce more fat into your diet, including things like olive oil, sesame oil, flaxseed oil, fish oils, seeds, nuts.

Some of these things come in capsule form.

I also think that eating dairy products like whole milk is probably preferable to skim, I would go the organic route with dairy products though.

Good post.

It's true that the low fat craze has only made people fatter.

Add avacados and peanut butter to the list of good fats above (olive oil, sesame seeds, almonds etc.)

 

[hehateme000]

I had a question, does this thread include milk fat? cuz i have about 10-12 cups of milk a day..

 

[njmuscleguy]

The only time I see milk included in a bodybuilder's diet is when trying to bulk... otherwise I rarely see it recommended. Plus you'd be surprised how many people suffer gastro-intestinal distress (and not just gas either) when drinking milk or eating lots of dairy products. If you're looking to increase dietary fat, go with the healthier fats (nuts, seeds, olive oil, flax, fish oil). I'll have a glass of organic skim milk every so often... sometimes I throw in soy milk into the mix.

 

[hehateme000]

i just love milk because i always have to drink with my meals and i say fuck i might as well get some extra protein, if my meals dont have enough protein to begin with..but im gonna try to get more of the healthier fats from flax and fish oill

 

[Mavafanculo]

remember theres 2 different issues here

dietary fat as re bodyweight and composition
dietary fat as re cardiovasular disease

 

[LiquidPhire]

How do you recommend protein shakes? with water? fuckin gross.

 

[Mavafanculo]

you could use 1% or skim, and I know theres lots of them out there that actually taste good with water